Is there broad support for the current Public Sector strikes?

jaykay said:
Public sector is a very broad area. I would support a payrise for front line staff like teachers and nurses,
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Teachers are the best paid graduates in Ireland for the first few years after they start work. Average pay after 10 years is €68k plus pension.
Nurses and teachers get paid well over the average.
jaykay said:
but not so much the swivel service workers in department offices. Their absence wont be felt as much today.
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A good proportion of nurses work in administrative roles. Good administration is essential in any organisation, particularly large ones.

jaykay said:
Also politicians, I wouldnt support the payrise they will get either
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They are one of the few groups I think are under paid.
 
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jaykay said:
In fairness, they do work for the money
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I think most do but I'm certain some don't. You also have to take the job security, pension and long holidays into account. The pay they get for each day they work is significant, and most work hard on those days.
 
At last the Taoiseach gets involved to confirm that pay will be a priority at the START of negotiations.
I sense a mood of desperation in Government circles.
 
Leo said:
Oh lots of appointments have been cancelled in the hospital my wife works in, they'll all go back into the system and have to wait months in some cases for another appointment. That will have a very real impact on how soon serious illnesses are diagnosed.
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Appointments are cancelled and re-scheduled all the time for a variable amount of reasons including patients failing to show up for one reason or another. If such occurrences were life threatening then I'd imagine some form of public information campaign would be advisable on TV, radio, internet and on the actual appointment letters similar to health warnings about cigarettes and alcohol.

Urgent and time-sensitive appointments and treatment are continuing. As are appointments where symptoms showing prompt urgent investigation is required.

Routine, elective and outpatient appointments are cancelled. Meaning that those appointments are not for illnesses with serious diagnosis. And any prospective serious diagnosis following a cancelled appointment today is still treatable in time.
 
Sister Sara said:
Routine, elective and outpatient appointments are cancelled. Meaning that those appointments are not for illnesses with serious diagnosis. And any prospective serious diagnosis following a cancelled appointment today is still treatable in time.
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You cannot possibly make those statements with any degree of certainty. Frequently outpatient appointments are for imaging services - x-ray, CATscan, MRI, etc, - or for gathering fluid or tissue samples for laboratory testing, or for other information gathering procedures, all necessary parts of the diagnostic process at times. These services delayed, automatically mean delayed diagnoses, which in turn mean delayed treatments for those patients.

Maybe you can enlighten us as to how such appointments, canceled because of industrial action. get treated by "the system". Do they just go to the back of the queue, when it might conceivably be weeks before the patients concerned get seen, or do they jump to the front of the queue, delaying the appointments of perhaps dozens of others? Some insight, if you can provide it, would be helpful.
 
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Purple said:
They have but on what planet does anyone agree an outcome before the talks start? That's the Union demand; they want pay increases agreed before they discuss productivity and changes to work practices. In the real economy people agree changes to work practices in order to keep their employer in business and keep their job.
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This is the reef public support founders against;- "Give us XYZ upfront, we agree nothing in return, then we'll talk."
 
mathepac said:
Frequently outpatient appointments are for imaging services - x-ray, CATscan, MRI, etc, - or for gathering fluid or tissue samples for laboratory testing, or for other information gathering procedures, all necessary parts of the diagnostic process at times. These services delayed automatically mean delayed diagnoses, which in turn mean delayed treatments for those patients.
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Yes, but delayed diagnosis, delayed treatment does not mean death. Simply, if your appointment today is for a MRI scan to investigate a prospective case of pancreatic cancer then your appointment today is going ahead as scheduled as most likely such scheduling would fall under urgent and time-sensitive appointments.

If your appointment today is for an x-ray for suspected sprained finger its probably cancelled. Uncomfortable as that is, it is not life-threatening and will not lead to death.
 
Sister Sara said:
Yes, but delayed diagnosis, delayed treatment does not mean death. Simply, if your appointment today is for a MRI scan to investigate a prospective case of pancreatic cancer then your appointment today is going ahead as scheduled as most likely such scheduling would fall under urgent and time-sensitive appointments.
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No, those scans have been cancelled.
 
Delayed treatment then is alright, as long as the person causing the delay doesn't suffer the consequences of their actions. Would that summarise your position?
 
Sister Sara said:
my position is the assertion that people may possibly die as a consequence of this industrial action is false and attempts to lay shame on the medical workers for exerting their rights to take industrial action is also wrong.
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My position is that delays in diagnosis cause delays in treatment. That reduces the chances of recovery. Therefore it is absolutely the case that people will die as a result of this industrial acton. That is without doubt.
 
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