Paul would be out of a job though, has he thought about that?President of the District Court Paul Kelly quoted in the Irish Times at the weekend.
"If alcohol disappeared overnight, the courts could close down,” he says. “It’s an absolute scourge. It cuts across almost the entire range of offences; it’s behind most public order, assaults and criminal damage, it’s probably behind 80 per cent of family law, has a huge impact in childcare and, obviously, there’s drunk driving...."
I thoroughly agree but in the absence of this utopia there should be massive ramping up to discourage/ deter booze consumption in future generations.
Addiction is not a criminal offence, never was.How about decriminalising drug possession, thereby decriminalising addiction,
Alcohol is a drug, the most commonly abused drug of all, as I keep pointing out. It is illegal to sell alcohol to an intoxicated consumer. When was the first time you heard of a server or publican being prosecuted for this?What about car break ins, muggings, house break ins, drugs offences, speeding, parking offences etc etc
This didnt seem to start a trend...Alcohol is a drug, the most commonly abused drug of all, as I keep pointing out. It is illegal to sell alcohol to an intoxicated consumer. When was the first time you heard of a server or publican being prosecuted for this?
At the core of most criminality?The point the judge is making is that alcohol is at the core of most criminality and the human misery it causes. That's a valid point and he's to be applauded for it. AAM lay "experts" having a moan at him are missing the point either deliberately or through not understanding the awful impact of alcohol on society.
Seven prosecutions from almost exactly 17 years ago!! That took some searching and as the vintners' chief whinger points in summary "the poor put upon publicans" for whom keeping the licensing laws is a step too far, sob, sob. They're still whining today now that they're open again.Alcohol is a drug, the most commonly abused drug of all, as I keep pointing out. It is illegal to sell alcohol to an intoxicated consumer. When was the first time you heard of a server or publican being prosecuted for this?
Just to point out that the COVID pandemic rules record deaths that occur within 28 days of a positive test as COVID deaths. What's sauce for the goose must surely also be sauce for the gander. Alcohol caused and alcohol related have alcohol in common.Its probably not even 'at the core' of most of the incidents ... alcohol caused and alcohol related are not the same thing.
Possession of drugs to feed your addiction is, so in effect addiction to drugs is a criminal offence.Addiction is not a criminal offence, never was.
They may have worked within 28 days also. Would that make it a work related incident?Just to point out that the COVID pandemic rules record deaths that occur within 28 days of a positive test as COVID deaths. What's sauce for the goose must surely also be sauce for the gander. Alcohol caused and alcohol related have alcohol in common.
We are drinking less though - are the problems you mentioned increasing or decreasing?We have a problem with alcohol in this country. We've been obsessed with the pub opening hours as a society over the last couple of weeks. I know when I pick up the local paper this week, a lot of the court cases will have drink at their core. It won't be 80%, but it will be a lot
it'll be interesting to see if Minimum unit pricing will have an impact but probably more is needed. Should we raise the minimum age, or perhaps raise the minimum age to buy in an offie?. Should barring orders for domestic violence also include a barring from every pub and offie in the country? If we can enfore Covid certs, could that be enforced?. Having sat in A&E on a Friday night with an elderly parent in the past, the number of people out of their heads on drink (and that's often the patients relatives/friends) is crazy
We need, as a society, to drink less. How do we achieve that is the question?
We have a problem with alcohol in this country. We've been obsessed with the pub opening hours as a society over the last couple of weeks. I know when I pick up the local paper this week, a lot of the court cases will have drink at their core. It won't be 80%, but it will be a lot
it'll be interesting to see if Minimum unit pricing will have an impact but probably more is needed. Should we raise the minimum age, or perhaps raise the minimum age to buy in an offie?. Should barring orders for domestic violence also include a barring from every pub and offie in the country? If we can enfore Covid certs, could that be enforced?. Having sat in A&E on a Friday night with an elderly parent in the past, the number of people out of their heads on drink (and that's often the patients relatives/friends) is crazy
We need, as a society, to drink less. How do we achieve that is the question?
I think this is an important point. We have a very small prison population and a relatively lenient court system. On balance I think that's a good thing. I'd hate to see us ending up like America where 0.7 people per 100 (around 1 in every 100 adults) is in prison and 2.8% of the adult population is either locked up or on parole or probation.Gardai tend not to arrest people for drunken behaviour unless it crosses a serious threshold.
I hear they have no criminal courts in Iran, at least according to Ayatollah Paul Kelly.Oh to live in an alcohol free society like Iran or Saudi Arabia or maybe even Prohibition America.
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