Why do you think that?
Jasus, it seems everything they do is essential. Are they heroic too?
All teachers are.
I agree completely.
That's a relief.
Why do you think that?The idea that restricting any of these schemes will actually improve the situation is ridiculous. Those refused career breaks will simply resign to go abroad, mainly to the Middle East where they can earn much more and have subsidised accommodation.
Jasus, it seems everything they do is essential. Are they heroic too?Those who job share are generally doing so because of childcare or to care for a elderly parent. They are providing another essential service in doing this.
All teachers are.Irish teachers are very much in demand internationally.
I agree completely.We need to seriously consider how we will retain them where they are most needed, in our urban areas.
That's a relief.No members of the profession expect a "free gaff" obviously.
Only urbanites count in deserving essential services then, to hell with the hindmost in the sticks,to coin a phrase.All are necessary for our cities to function properly.
No need to apologise. They certainly aren't high paid employees but they aren't low paid ether. An average salary of around €60,000 with a very good pension and superb holidays is a good package. I don't subscribe to the idea that they have a short working week as they generally do lots of non-classroom hours.sorry, the point is teachers are paid well as graduates but they aren't high paid workers overall,
An income of around €90k is needed to buy the average house in Dublin.and they can't afford to buy in the cities if they were so well paid they wouldn't have this issue. Picking the point where they start earning is just arbitrary.
Do you people have the 'lectric and running water and all that stuff?!Only urbanites count in deserving essential services then, to hell with the hindmost in the sticks,to coin a phrase.
It's more a reflection of the Unions superb ability to put a gun to the head of the Irish people whenever they want more money for their members.The 'market pay' in the public sector is more a reflection of the States ability to wield its power as the monopolistic employer in the relevant sector
That's a major reason why so many leave the sectors. Women are far more likely to choose to work part time, take career breaks and opt out of the workforce entirely. The shortage of GP's is entirely due to the same thing. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that but the State needs to train more people in female dominated sectors as graduates are less likely to remain within their industry or sector.and historical sectoral factors (teaching and nursing being largely dominated by women etc.).
If they change career or quit (or take a career break) they would have to leave. None of them get fired and they are all exceptional... and heroic...Do you take the house off them if they change careers?Are fired?Quit?
Isn't one of the issues is that that by granting these career breaks the replacement teachers are not being made permanent and can't get mortgage approval etc;. I'm not sure if they lose out on some benefits as well. This is obviously making these (temporary?) positions less attractive to other teachers.The idea that restricting any of these schemes will actually improve the situation is ridiculous. Those refused career breaks will simply resign to go abroad, mainly to the Middle East where they can earn much more and have subsidised accommodation. Granting them a career break offers some hope they may return. Those who job share are generally doing so because of childcare or to care for a elderly parent. They are providing another essential service in doing this. Irish teachers are very much in demand internationally. We need to seriously consider how we will retain them where they are most needed, in our urban areas. No members of the profession expect a "free gaff" obviously.
I wasnt apologising, but you knew that.No need to apologise. They certainly aren't high paid employees but they aren't low paid ether. An average salary of around €60,000 with a very good pension and superb holidays is a good package. I don't subscribe to the idea that they have a short working week as they generally do lots of non-classroom hours.
An income of around €90k is needed to buy the average house in Dublin.
Agreed, they are of course. To pretend that any one profession is deserving of special treatment due to a housing shortage is of course nonsense.I'm suggesting the comparisons are ridiculous and self-serving
Where did I say, or even imply, that they could afford to buy in Dublin?Thanks for confirming that despite your assertions about how well paid they are that teachers cant afford to buy in Dublin.
Some teachers are leaving the cities, true. But they are not the only ones doing so, so are not deserving of special treatment. We find it difficult to recruit for a lot of well paid IT jobs too, should all IT workers get a hand-out?I don't think anyone is suggesting that teachers are they only ones affected by this, but nonetheless they are affected and are voting with their feet by leaving the cities. We can rant on about how well paid they are but we now have a severe shortage in city schools which we need to address before it worsens.
Hold on, average wages in the public sector are higher than those in the private sector! I'm hoping that's not news to you. Remember the Davy report that calculated that a private sector worker would need €600k to buy an annuity plan to match the public sector pension?The 'market pay' in the public sector is more a reflection of the States ability to wield its power as the monopolistic employer in the relevant sector and historical sectoral factors (teaching and nursing being largely dominated by women etc.).
That's it exactly, the only thing putting more money into the system achieves is higher prices. Increasing supply is the only was to lower them.So everyone is important. We need more houses built to drive down prices.
The single scheme public service pension has been in place since 2013 and is far from generous. Inevitably public/private sector pension comparisons fail to mention the state pension which is a generous benefit for all workers for which some contribute minimal PRSI. That is a whole other debate though.Hold on, average wages in the public sector are higher than those in the private sector! I'm hoping that's not news to you. Remember the Davy report that calculated that a private sector worker would need €600k to buy an annuity plan to match the public sector pension?
Note the pay gap has narrowed since that report, but it still favours public employees.
Hold on, average wages in the public sector are higher than those in the private sector! I'm hoping that's not news to you. Remember the Davy report that calculated that a private sector worker would need €600k to buy an annuity plan to match the public sector pension?
Note the pay gap has narrowed since that report, but it still favours public employees.
The Davy study is at odds with a recent Central Statistics Office (CSO) paper which found that public sector workers are paid slightly less than their private-sector counterparts overall. That research said that those at the bottom of the income ladder tend to be better off in the public sector while those at the top earn more in the private sector.
The front line is in Ukraine. We are not at war so there is, thankfully, no front line in Ireland. Referring to teachers or nurses or anyone not in combat as being on a "front line" is just hyperbole.Frontline workers, including teachers, cannot and obviously as the majority of the country lives in cities the majority of jobs are there.
Whatever you prefer to call them the younger cohort of essential public sector workers are unable to rent affordably or buy particularly in Dublin where we desperately need them. I know this because I work with them and have seen an unprecendented exodus of staff on the ground with no one applying for the jobs to replace them.The front line is in Ukraine. We are not at war so there is, thankfully, no front line in Ireland. Referring to teachers or nurses or anyone not in combat as being on a "front line" is
The same is happening with the younger cohort of essential private sector workers.Whatever you prefer to call them the younger cohort of essential public sector workers are unable to rent affordably or buy particularly in Dublin where we desperately need them.
Higher property taxes would greatly help them. Reform of the planning system would also help. As would an efficient and functional construction sector. A reallocation of social housing according to needs would probably be the best short term solution.I know this because I work with them and have seen an unprecendented exodus of staff on the ground with no one applying for the jobs to replace them.