i dont think a dublin allowance (like the london allowance) is unreasonable for essential workers, id put guards, nurses, firefighters and teachers in that. Im sure there are other state employees that come to mind.Kieran Christie, head of the ASTI, is calling for subsidised housing for key workers. This is not a new thing and other countries have allowances and supports for some sectors but what is a key worker?
The narrative is that it's teachers and nurses but there are other jobs that are far more important for the country to function. The people who keep the lights on, the water running, take our waste away and deliver food to the shops are the real key workers and are paid far less than teachers or nurses so where does the list stop? The average salary for a primary school teacher aged between 25 and 34 is €50,000, with the opportunity to do grinds or summer work on top of that. Nurses aren't as well paid and work much longer hours over the year but they earn an average of €45,000 a year. Should people on reasonably good incomes get subsidised housing based only on their job? If so at what salary level should that support be removed? And given that there is a housing shortage what group should they be prioritised ahead of? I see some merit in a "Dublin allowance" (or Galway or Cork etc) but even more government intervention of this sort in the housing market is the last thing we need.
Why single them out though? As listed above there are people who are far more essential who earn far less. Should some of the best paid young graduates in the country really be getting more? When the economy turns, as it surely shall, will those payments be reduced accordingly?i dont think a dublin allowance (like the london allowance) is unreasonable for essential workers, id put guards, nurses, firefighters and teachers in that. Im sure there are other state employees that come to mind.
because we need them to function and advance our society, education and healthcare are key as are the people who uphold law and order. And if they were among the best paid graduates we wouldnt be having this discussion!Why single them out though? As listed above there are people who are far more essential who earn far less. Should some of the best paid young graduates in the country really be getting more? When the economy turns, as it surely shall, will those payments be reduced accordingly?
Care workers. Bin men. Grocery workers. Airport staff. Bus drivers. Dart Drivers.because we need them to function and advance our society, education and healthcare are key as are the people who uphold law and order. And if they were among the best paid graduates we wouldnt be having this discussion!
who else would you include that is far more essential? and on the state payroll?
We do, but we need water, power, food, waste removal and sewage more.because we need them to function and advance our society, education and healthcare are key as are the people who uphold law and order.
I stand corrected, they are not amongst the best paid graduates, teachers are the best paid graduates.And if they were among the best paid graduates we wouldnt be having this discussion!
Irish Water employees. And why should we only help those who are privileged to be employed by the State?who else would you include that is far more essential? and on the state payroll?
ESB workers are very well paid as fair as I understand. Irish water have an exceedingly high average salary in the organization incl. bonus. Waste and food delivery are private sector with market wages.The narrative is that it's teachers and nurses but there are other jobs that are far more important for the country to function. The people who keep the lights on, the water running, take our waste away and deliver food to the shops are the real key workers and are paid far less than teachers or nurses so where does the list stop?
The take home pay of a new entrant teacher is in the region of €2,2000 a month. Average rent for a 1 bed apartment in the city is 1,800 a month. House share usually €800. We have a chronic shortage of teachers in urban areas. The exodus will continue until there are affordable accommodation options within a reasonable commute to city schools. When little Zac or Sophie doesn't have a qualified teacher in their classroom then we have a serious problem. Trying to compile a hierarchy of essential workers is pointless. All are necessary for our cities to function properly.I stand corrected, they are not amongst the best paid graduates, teachers are the best paid graduates
Are you suggesting state employees are earning less? So much so that they are deserving of a hand-out? Or have the public sector unions failed miserably in achieving market pay for state employees?Waste and food delivery are private sector with market wages.
The average starting Salary for a teacher in 2019 was €38,701. That's around €2,600 a month after tax. Very few 24 year olds are renting their own apartment. If they took the house share they'd have around €430 a week after tax and accommodation costs.The take home pay of a new entrant teacher is in the region of €2,2000 a month. Average rent for a 1 bed apartment in the city is 1,800 a month.
I agree that there is a serious problem with the supply of qualified teachers who want to actually work in the sector. An obvious first step is to actually apply the rules around career breaks and job sharing but yes, it's a real problem.House share usually €800. We have a chronic shortage of teachers in urban areas. The exodus will continue until there are affordable accommodation options within a reasonable commute to city schools. When little Zac or Sophie doesn't have a qualified teacher in their classroom then we have a serious problem.
Trying to compile a hierarchy of essential workers is pointless. All are necessary for our cities to function properly.
The idea that restricting any of these schemes will actually improve the situation is ridiculous. Those refused career breaks will simply resign to go abroad, mainly to the Middle East where they can earn much more and have subsidised accommodation. Granting them a career break offers some hope they may return. Those who job share are generally doing so because of childcare or to care for a elderly parent. They are providing another essential service in doing this. Irish teachers are very much in demand internationally. We need to seriously consider how we will retain them where they are most needed, in our urban areas. No members of the profession expect a "free gaff" obviously.agree that there is a serious problem with the supply of qualified teachers who want to actually work in the sector. An obvious first step is to actually apply the rules around career breaks and job sharing but yes, it's a real problem.
sorry, the point is teachers are paid well as graduates but they aren't high paid workers overall, and they can't afford to buy in the cities if they were so well paid they wouldn't have this issue. Picking the point where they start earning is just arbitrary.We do, but we need water, power, food, waste removal and sewage more.
I stand corrected, they are not amongst the best paid graduates, teachers are the best paid graduates.
Irish Water employees. And why should we only help those who are privileged to be employed by the State?
The reason it relates to those who are 'privileged' to be employed by the state is that everyone else is working for a private enterprise so what they get paid isn't really something the state can influence, except maybe by tax breaks.We do, but we need water, power, food, waste removal and sewage more.
I stand corrected, they are not amongst the best paid graduates, teachers are the best paid graduates.
Irish Water employees. And why should we only help those who are privileged to be employed by the State?
Picking teachers is arbitrary, there are many others in the same plight who have less earning potentialPicking the point where they start earning is just arbitrary.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that teachers are they only ones affected by this, but nonetheless they are affected and are voting with their feet by leaving the cities. We can rant on about how well paid they are but we now have a severe shortage in city schools which we need to address before it worsens.Picking teachers is arbitrary, there are many others in the same plight who have less earning potential
maybe so, personally, i would support it for essential workers and id include teachers in that, your opinion may differ.Picking teachers is arbitrary, there are many others in the same plight who have less earning potential
Are you suggesting state employees are earning less? So much so that they are deserving of a hand-out? Or have the public sector unions failed miserably in achieving market pay for state employees?
I think the point about public servants is that they are paid the same no matter where they work in the country.Kieran Christie, head of the ASTI, is calling for subsidised housing for key workers. This is not a new thing and other countries have allowances and supports for some sectors but what is a key worker?
The narrative is that it's teachers and nurses but there are other jobs that are far more important for the country to function. The people who keep the lights on, the water running, take our waste away and deliver food to the shops are the real key workers and are paid far less than teachers
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