Gardai: kicked handcuffed male into the back

Ham Slicer said:
I don't understand your point.
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My point is thats a lot of ifs, and even if he did all that and more I would hope that Gardai are well trained professionals that have to rise above it. When the Gardai deal with "scumbags" they in turn should not sink to their level.
 
ClubMan said:
Well (a) none of these situations applied here from the details posted above and (b) I'm not sure that you would be acting legally in assaulting somebody even in those situations.
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I only gave three examples - there are numerous other reasons I would feel it would be justified. Nobody knows why he was kicked. I'm willing to take my chances that he deserved it.

Legally or not, in the 3 examples I gave I would feel justified in carrying out an "assault"

If the OP feels it needs to be reported then it should be reported.
 
Ham Slicer said:
I only gave three examples - there are numerous other reasons I would feel it would be justified.
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There was a case in the news a few months ago about a young man who died in garda custody where his family alleged he was assaulted. In light of this it's hardly appropriate to condone the assault of someone being taken into custody, especially when you are 'taking your chances that they deserved it'
 
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webtax said:
What about the case of the young man who died in garda custody that was in the news a few months ago - would that (alleged assault) be justified?
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I'm not aware of the actual case but I'll have to take your word for it that it was an alleged assault.
 
How on earth do you know that he was a scumbag?
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I didn't say the guy in question was a scumbag i was refering to leghorns post:

This is what they do in public, consider what happens in the back of the police van, or in the cell.
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I think its a balancing act and unfortunately its the smart mouthed eejits who probably get a beating rather than the hardened criminals who seem to have the run of the country both inside and outside prison.
 
No such thing as a warranted assault. Kicking a handcuffed detainee in the back shows a garda out of control. The Gardi are paid to take suspects into custody for processing. A judge/jury will hand down the punishment if found guilty. Its called the judicial system.
A single Garda dishing it out is not justice.
 
Ham Slicer said:
I only gave three examples - there are numerous other reasons I would feel it would be justified. Nobody knows why he was kicked. I'm willing to take my chances that he deserved it.
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I agree. About time the gardai toughened up!
 
Hopefully it's the start of zero tolerance. The Gardai need to toughen up. I'm encouraged by such news.
 
Take a look at (and the hyperlinks to the video it contains - also [broken link removed]) for a scenario when a simple speeding ticket got way out of hand last autumn in Utah.
 
damson said:
Take a look at (and the hyperlinks to the video it contains - also [broken link removed]) for a scenario when a simple speeding ticket got way out of hand last autumn in Utah.
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I don't think anyones condoning tasering speeders even though the rsa might think about using it as a deterrent.
 
MrMan said:
I don't think anyones condoning tasering speeders even though the rsa might think about using it as a deterrent.
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No, I just meant it as an example of a situation where something that should have been a simple non-violent law enforcement situation got completely out of control, due to poor handling of the event by both parties.
 
AlistairDick said:
Hopefully it's the start of zero tolerance. The Gardai need to toughen up. I'm encouraged by such news.
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Encouraged by further violence? Personally, I would be very disilussioned to think that the people we trust to keep law and order in our country are resorting to violence and bully tactics. Im all for zero tolerance but in the form of heavier sentences. I agree with the original poster -if you feel you need to report it, then do so.
 
If the OP wants to complain, he/she should contact the GSOC directly and not contact any members in the station concerned.
 
I am all for Guards standing up for themselves and being allowed to use force to protect themselves but kicking a handcuffed person in the back like the OP described is plain and simply assault. The OP should complain if he feels uncomfortable with what he saw. It also wasn't the cleverest thing to do in the open. Should have waited to get him in the cells and then given him a good kicking!
 
I still haven`t called over there. But I most definitely will today. I also see that there is CCTV cameras pointing down at the door so it must have been recorded..
 
There is no way that I would make a complaint to the station. A family member did so after he witnessed as assault by two gardai in Galway and experienced 18 months of low-level harassment for his troubles.
 
Purple said:
There is no way that I would make a complaint to the station. A family member did so after he witnessed as assault by two gardai in Galway and experienced 18 months of low-level harassment for his troubles.
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Out of curiosity - can you elaborate on 'low-level harassment'.

i'm intrigued as to what they did.
 
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