TheBigShort
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Nothing like a bit of Brit-bashing to liven up a dull evening...
EU (perceived or real) that the ordinary Brit, and right up to highest political office, cannot see beyond a very narrow nationalistic stance that still says we are better than all the rest.
QED.
This sort of nation-baiting has no place on AAM, in my opinion.
Not sure how you have interpreted my comments as 'nation-baiting'?
I think it is a legitimate criticism
Not sure how you have interpreted my comments as 'nation-baiting'?
I think it is a legitimate criticism of the viewpoints that are driving Brexit. Boris Johnson, in his Telegraph article, states he wants to see a more open, more global Britain after Brexit, by;
Step 1 - close borders to European citizens.
Step 2 - leave customs unions and single market, so as to negotiate a bespoke customs union and frictionless access to the single market.
Step 3 - take back control of courts and laws, by aligning courts and laws with that of the EU.
Step 4 - Take control of our fish!
Every two-bit bigot in the land thinks that their criticisms of entire nationalities are legitimate. Not for a second suggesting you're one of those but you get my drift.
...passed you by.influence on the world has been hugely positive.
Canada and Australia are open and global nations, and control all those things.
How open and global are the Visegrád group of EU member states, by comparison?
If there is no trade deal between Britain and the EU, EU citizens will pay a heavy heavy price too. Some Irish peoole who should know better are laughing at the mess Britain is in, yet whole sectors of our economy will be at risk in the event of no deal as they are dependent on UK to take our exports.
Anyone in the EU laughing, sneering or gloating at Britain obviously doesn't give a damn about Irish farmers, Spanish produce growers or French winemakers, to name but a few.
And I dont like the Euro currency. It doesn't work, its one glove fits all is not suitable to all participating economies.
Nevertheless, the concept of a Europe pooling its sovereignty and its resources in common cause of peace, and improving the standards of living of its people outweighs the narrow nationalistic agenda in my view.
There are lots of narrow nationalistic agendas being pursued through the EU.
The Euro has been a weapon of mass destruction to the peoples of Europe, I don't care about the concept it claims to serve, I care about the reality. It was not originally as the EEC, but it has become, a power project for large EU nations.
Britain perhaps naively assumed the EU would think about the impact of the failure to do trade deal would have on its own citizens and would approach it with those considerations in mind.
EU treaties do allow for a member state to leave don't they? I don't see what common cause of peace is served by the way they are conducting Brexit negotiations, like some spurned lover in a divorce.
There are lots of narrow nationalistic agendas being pursued through the EU. It was one of the reasons Britain is leaving.
The Euro has been a weapon of mass destruction to the peoples of Europe, I don't care about the concept it claims to serve, I care about the reality. It was not originally as the EEC, but it has become, a power project for large EU nations.
Britain perhaps naively assumed the EU would think about the impact of the failure to do trade deal would have on its own citizens and would approach it with those considerations in mind.
But the project is all that matters, the fact that it's a trans-national agenda rather than a "narrow nationalistic" one is irrelevant. The same contempt for the ordinary person we saw with the Euro, is evident in how the EU conducts Brexit negotiations.
There is no reason why Brexit has to mean disastrous economic consequences for the EU citizens, but Barnier and Juncker appear to care as little about them as Farage.
EU treaties do allow for a member state to leave don't they? I don't see what common cause of peace is served by the way they are conducting Brexit negotiations, like some spurned lover in a divorce.
There is a lot wrong with the EU and the politicians are to blame for being so disconnected to people on the ground
Yes, the EU will suffer with no deal and especially Ireland but I think they would rather suffer that for a period of time than offer the UK an easy exit and have to repeat the exercise the next time an Anti EU party comes to power in another country.
They won't suffer. They're too cute to cut off their noses to spite their faces. It's ordinary people, their own citizens, who will suffer.
They won't suffer. They're too cute to cut off their noses to spite their faces. It's ordinary people, their own citizens, who will suffer.
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