Entitlement to mains water?

Brendan Burgess said:
And now he wants the taxpayer to pay for it?

He has asked if he has a legal entitlement to water or put it another way has he a legal entitlement to demand that the taxpayers pay for supplying him with water after he has sold off his water supply.

I think it's reasonable for a taxpayer to ask for clarification if this is what he wants.
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Correct me if I'm wrong Brendan but with the abolition of water charges to domestic users, surely the "taxpayer" supplements or pays for everyone's domestic water via UE?

The OP has stated on an number occasions that they are willing to fund or personally invest within reason securing and sustaining a reliable water supply (Unlike most domestic users now who are not required to pay anything beyond the regular connection fee). The figures supplied by UE are exorbitant and I think are meant to act as a deterrent as much as anything else. I do recall a figure of something like €12k being quoted by Irish Water a few years ago to supply water to a cold water shower at The Point in Westport when the nearest mains point was probably within 200 metres.

I'd say rural connections of this type are regarded as a cash cow by UE - probably to subsidise their big Shannon to Dublin scheme (Mind you a mere drop in the ocean of the funding required - if you'll excuse the pun!!!!)
 
Zeus2020 said:
but an electricity pole would have to be brought back to said area for pump and then pumped to houses
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Would a diesel operated pump or an battery/electrical one powered by a solar panel array be an alternative solution? I know the water supply to the toilets on the summit of Croagh Patrick are supplied by a diesel operated pump supplemented by water harvesting.
 
Wow. There's toilets at the top of Croagh Patrick. How does the diesel get up there?

Edit: fixed for clubman !
 
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thank you mayo1969 for advice (which is all I'm looking for)
yes I can I can look into this
as I keep saying I'm only looking for solutions
 
Mayo1969 said:
UE state that they "are responsible for the delivery of secure, safe, and sustainable water services for the people of Ireland." That seems like a public service obligation to me....
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That is your misinterpretation so, and exactly the kind on misinterpretation that does the OP no service.

Irish Water are obligated under law to manage and maintain Ireland's public water infrastructure they are under no obligation to ensure a supply to every property. If they had such an obligation there would be no need for the 180,000 properties like mine, or for the 190,000 other households served by private group schemes to install and maintain private wells.
 
Bronte said:
Wow. There's toilets at the top of Croagh Patrick. How does the diesel get up their?
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Ah Bronte. Thanks indeed for displaying your incredulous naivety re the technological capabilities of the uncouth, uncivilised, savage Culchies "down the country". Not only do we have flush toilets on top of the Reek, but all wee humble rural house have them now too (well most anyway even those without a reliable water supply!

The diesel pump is located about half way up the back side of the reek and is periodically refuelled via a track up from Taoibh na Croibhe by a quad bike (Is there no end to the ingenuity of these rural savages you might ask?)

Imagine that RTE actually ran a fibre optic cable from the mountain rescue base to the summit back in 2008 to live broadcast a TV mass for the 100th anniversary of the church! Broadband on the Reek how are ya? But don't tell Brendan in case he gets upset again about the public service obligation for rural areas!
 
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Leo said:
That is your misinterpretation so, and exactly the kind on misinterpretation that does the OP no service.

Irish Water are obligated under law to manage and maintain Ireland's public water infrastructure they are under no obligation to ensure a supply to every property. If they had such an obligation there would be no need for the 180,000 properties like mine, or for the 190,000 other households served by private group schemes to install and maintain private wells.
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It is my understanding, as a member of a group water scheme myself and recalling the utterances of Barry Cowan back in the wake of the water charges fiasco, that no householder would be required to pay water charges going forward. I was under the impression (since I haven't had any bills myself since) that even group water schemes were subsumed under the auspices of Irish Water and received a state subvention (similarly with the well grant the OP referred to) so as to ensure that no householders were subject to water charges. Of course agricultural and industrial supplies (and grossly excessive domestic consumption) are subject to monitoring and billing.

UE make big PR and talk up their obligation to maintain Irish public water infrastructure in their corporate profile, but the reality on the ground in a lot of instances is that they are failing dismally in some geographical areas in this regard.

I'm open to correction if this is not the case?
 
Mayo1969 said:
Ah Bronte. Thanks indeed for displaying your incredulous naivety re the technological capabilities of the uncouth, uncivilised, savage Culchies "down the country".
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Well Mayo God help us shure and begorrow 'tis a culchie I am and proud to be one too. And there might be a drop of Mayo in me too. I even know ye won at the weekend, had full details from a sibling at the match up in the big smoke which gets all the money and the free water. But the jackeens don't want to be paying 300K for a water supply to one of houses even if there are three of them.

It was only last year that I got to see Achill Henge and it's an amazing achievement what one man enraged by the banks could do of a weekend, it's the likes of that effort that that poster Zeus2020 needs to get his water. Because the actual Zeus is not going to get him free water from Uisce Eireann and he's not going to get it at anything approaching a reasonable price from them either.

It's a long long way from 12 thousand to Leo's €300,000.00 ....

Thank you for the details on Croagh Patrick, not a place I've been. The last time I saw a miracle in Mayo was when ye had Monsignor Horan and that's what Zeus 2020 needs !
 
Mayo1969 said:
It is my understanding, as a member of a group water scheme myself and recalling the utterances of Barry Cowan back in the wake of the water charges fiasco, that no householder would be required to pay water charges going forward. I was under the impression (since I haven't had any bills myself since) that even group water schemes were subsumed under the auspices of Irish Water and received a state subvention (similarly with the well grant the OP referred to) so as to ensure that no householders were subject to water charges. Of course agricultural and industrial supplies (and grossly excessive domestic consumption) are subject to monitoring and billing.
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Like private wells, there is funding available for private group schemes. A subvention capped at €231 per house (funded from the Dept. of housing via the local authority) served is available with any costs beyond that paid for by the members. The well, equipment, and associated infrastructure remains the property and responsibility of the group members. Irish Water play no role there.
 
Leo said:
Like private wells, there is funding available for private group schemes. A subvention capped at €231 per house (funded from the Dept. of housing via the local authority) served is available with any costs beyond that paid for by the members. The well, equipment, and associated infrastructure remains the property and responsibility of the group members. Irish Water play no role there.
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So you're saying Barry Cowan's utterance was a load of oul self serving guff so, and lots of people are still paying actual water charges?
It comes as a revelation to me, but hardly surprising either.

Where are the People before Profit sponsored and other associated and indignant public protests against this, or do they only care about their urban electorate?

I guess I'm one of the lucky ones who had their local GWS incorporated into the greater LA/EI Lough Mask Scheme so no water charges since.
 
Mayo1969 said:
So you're saying Barry Cowan's utterance was a load of oul self serving guff so, and lots of people are still paying actual water charges?
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No, water charges are or were a very specific thing that applied only to ongoing use of the public infrastructure. Those of us who pay for their own water supplies never paid water charges, but we still pay for our water.
 
Mayo1969 said:
I guess I'm one of the lucky ones who had their local GWS incorporated into the greater LA/EI Lough Mask Scheme so no water charges since.
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You're wrong. 'Free' water in Ireland is paid for by you and everyone else who pays taxes. But because it's supplied free of charges at point of use people are under the mistaken impression that actual water is free. The reason there are so many leaks, wasting water, and so many people run water willy-nilly, wasting water, is because no government has the nerve to try and impose it. And Uisce Eireann knows the government will always bail them out. If your water is coming out of a lough there is a cost to that somewhere.

How much do you think it would cost an ordinary fellow to run a pipe half a mile? Man, digger, pipe?
 
Anyway rather reading your condescending attitude
I got on to Irish Water they will do main connection which I will pay for incase you thing I'm robbing the tax payers of Ireland
and I can engage somebody privately to dig and burry pipes in the field they will run along and which belongs to me anyway
thank god for the culchies and plain talking people of ireland
 
Bronte said:
How much do you think it would cost an ordinary fellow to run a pipe half a mile? Man, digger, pipe?
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not as much as 300000 as Bronte suggested
you can get a lot of work done down the country for a few grand
thank god I live in culchie land where common sense still exists
 
Zeus2020 said:
not as much as 300000 as Bronte suggested
you can get a lot of work done down the country for a few grand
thank god I live in culchie land where common sense still exists
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I suspect the 350 a meter was a load of you know what,
I think the 350 is for a large service Pipe It is not just AI that gets it wrong you know,
don't feel bad it is just the way it is,
 
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Zeus2020 said:
not as much as 300000 as Bronte suggested
you can get a lot of work done down the country for a few grand
thank god I live in culchie land where common sense still exists
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And isn’t that the question I asked in a practical way to poster Mayo, which was to get an idea of the cost because nobody is going to pay 300k . Which was to figure out further for you an idea of man + digger costs.

That 300k figure was based on what Leo put up about in a link from Uisce E charges. But I’d bet nobody pays that, it’s a figure to put people off using them.

BTW you never told us you owned the fields from the water supply. Don’t you think that might have been something important to divulge to us.
 
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