I've often wondered that myself and it is a valid thing to discuss but not on this particular thread because it refers to one specific clear cut case.
3) Why are decent law-abiding men with no history of sexual misbehaviour - from groups of sportsmen to armies - capable of indulging in gang rape given the opportunity?
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I have written to the Minister for Justice and to local TDs asking for an explanation for the disgusting court scenes associated with this brave woman's case, asking specifically what the responsibilities of the Guards, Prison Service and Courts Service are in relation to the public having contact with and access to a convict in custody in open court.
Of course there is blame on the male's part but what sanction is there against the female who is inebriated to the extent where she is not compos mentis? That in itself is a criminal offence and rightly so.
No woman deserves to be sexually assaulted but if she is under the influence of alcohol she is exposing herself to increased risk and must take some of the blame herself.
Your post was not misinterpreted. You were trying (unsuccessfully) to backtrack.I think my post has been misinterpreted. I meant that due to the intrinsic predatory nature of the male species under the influence of alcohol to lessen restraint, reason and inihibition, if a person - in this case a woman who is normally physically weaker - is under the influence of the same substance then quite obviously they are exposing themselves to increased risk. ...
I would like to nominate this for AAM idiotic post of the year.Alright so man gets drunk and woman gets drunk and then engage in drunken intimacy. Result: man is totally to blame.
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Good!This is my last post on this ...
There is no such thing as a defendants dock in jury courts in Ireland - having a defendant secured in a dock is a feature of the British justice system. At most, there may be some seating reserved for the defendant on one side of the courtroom, but there is little in the way of physical separation from the public etc. In some circumstances, particularly where the defendant is on bail (and so not in custody), they can sit among the public. If the defendant is in custody, they'll sit in the defendant's reserved seating and Prison Officers will sit nearby to ensure they dont do a runner. Handcuffs or any other restraining devices are not permitted.
The reason being is that in Ireland, all defendants in court are persumed innocent unless they are found guilty at the conclusion of the case. If the defendant is in a secure dock, handcuffs etc. it may influence the jury into to thinking the defendant is guilty as it gives the impression that the person is a criminal - remembering that they are not a criminal until they are convicted and have the right to be persumed innocent unless proven otherwise.
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Yorky, it is horrific that you cannot tell the difference between intimacy and rape.
But my understanding is that he was already conviced of the offence and the court hearing was to do with sentencing. Therefore is has already been found guilty and was in police custody. I find it amazing that member of the general public (or 50 of them in this case) can walk to to a conviceted person. What if someone passed him something? What is someone who supported the victim attacked him (he would be suing the state more than likely).
You may be right. Was this a pure sentencing hearing, or was the verdict given the same day?
Roland - I don't want to get off the point, but you say I think we would all agree that a victim has to share blame where, for example, they walk down O Connell Street late at night with cash hanging out of their back pocket and get robbed. Of course it is a crime they were robbed, but they surely share some of the blame for that.
This is the same argument Yorky is using that the victim must take some of the blame. Am I not allowed walk down O'Connell St at night with money in my pocket?
why is it that tens of thousands are prepared to take to the streets to protest about losing a few % off their wages yet when hundreds and possibly thousands of adult priests rape and abuse children there isn't a single march anywhere in this country?
Roland - I don't want to get off the point, but you say I think we would all agree that a victim has to share blame where, for example, they walk down O Connell Street late at night with cash hanging out of their back pocket and get robbed. Of course it is a crime they were robbed, but they surely share some of the blame for that.
This is the same argument Yorky is using that the victim must take some of the blame. Am I not allowed walk down O'Connell St at night with money in my pocket?
I as a female would not walk down the street at night on my own fully clothed, because I know that I increase the risk to myself of an attack.
Roland - I don't want to get off the point, but you say I think we would all agree that a victim has to share blame where, for example, they walk down O Connell Street late at night with cash hanging out of their back pocket and get robbed. Of course it is a crime they were robbed, but they surely share some of the blame for that.
This is the same argument Yorky is using that the victim must take some of the blame. Am I not allowed walk down O'Connell St at night with money in my pocket?
@ thedaras & Yorky
...furthermore, to add further controversy perhaps to the thread, many sportsmen and army members are hardly the best example.
Very high proportion of thugs make up their ranks in many cases IMO & E.
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