Paul O Mahoney
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Never said it was associated with their roll out just saying it happened.Same thing could happen here couldn't it?
Nothing whatsoever to suggest it had anything to do with the speed of rollout of the vaccine.
We seem to have to go slower here than elsewhere, citing safety is a red herring unless Paul Reid can cite specific corners being cut elsewhere that are not being cut here.
So why wasn't the issue of consent sorted out months ago?Listening to news at 9am this morning, seems that there is a fear of litigation here in Ireland.
Never said it was associated with their roll out just saying it happened.
So safety isn't an issue for you, strange position to take, my mother in laws care home contacted my wife today to explain what exactly will be put in place in order to protect the "clients " and the staff during the time the vaccine will be administered its a long list and the HSE must have a fairly long list too.
Safety is paramount and as Colm Henry said this morning safety is the number 1 item to be considered above all else and that's why its being rolled out in hospitals first just in case there is an issue and it can be resolved and learnt from.
The manufacturers have said safety was the priority when developing the vaccine, 48 hrs isn't a huge amount of time to wait.
Another thing had the EU not brought forward the approval it would be next week before any roll could happen.
Can't understand why people are getting so annoyed by this .
I notice that they are all using the word "safety" as an excuse for their delay in rolling out the vaccine. I was looking at EuroNews today and lots of countries on the ball vaccinating people. I am sure that they are doing it safely.The manufacturers have said safety was the priority when developing the vaccine, 48 hrs isn't a huge amount of time to wait.
Unreasonable to suggest he should do that. If he believes that others are moving too fast or cutting corners he's not going to say it (EU solidarity etc etc). I don't know why we're starting the vaccinations a couple of days later than some others but maybe it has to do with the fact that other countries have not kept the virus under control as well as we have here and so, because of the soaring cases and deaths they are under pressure to act quickly.citing safety is a red herring unless Paul Reid can cite specific corners being cut elsewhere that are not being cut here.
I didn't hear the news this morning so I don't know what the nature of this fear of litigation is here. However, we have become a very litigious nation and the hysteria of many, especially in the media but also elsewhere, only contributes to this. I recall the awful disinformation during the Cervical Smear controversy, that ended up in the perception that a smear test should be virtually a diagnostic test (internationally it's accepted that there are about 30% false negatives/false positives). Then this inaccurate "perception" ended up with people thinking that a "false negative" meant that an actionable "mistake" had been made. Professional journalists were using the term "mistake" or "error" with regard to false negatives. Subsequently I think I'm right in saying that a judge ruled that test results should not be given unless there was effective certainty (I'm open to correction on this point). The HSE and the medical profession are petrified of legal actions costing many millions. Maybe this is also a factor in the couple of day delay here? What would be the case if people with certain underlying conditions started to become very ill or die due to a reaction to the vaccine? Would the lawyers be all over it? If the delay here is due to the authorities here closely monitoring reports from other countries for a couple of days then I for one would understand that. If there's a lot of people suffering side effects longer than a couple of days then that would be a real concern.Listening to news at 9am this morning, seems that there is a fear of litigation here in Ireland.
Have we seen or heard of any other fatality?,we discussed in detail before the roll out that there were going to be issues and this is an example of one.Not sure why the death in Israel was mentioned here on this thread then?
There was a clear implication from the context of how the death was raised that it somehow connected to the speed of rollout
Now it appears it was a total red herring though of course an individual tragedy.
A bit like the issue of 'safety' here explaining why we are slower than our peers when it comes to roll out.
Zero evidence has been presented that other EU countries have put safety at issue by rolling out vaccines quicker than we have.
Absolutely nothing, not a single shred of evidence or explanation or indication has been proferred as to why we have to be slower than our peers to be safe.
We're already falling behind after 2-3 days, the concern is this trend will be continued into the weeks and months ahead and we fall further and further behind in the vaccination schedule and leave vulnerable people needlessly exposed. Safety is paramount cuts both ways, every delay means people needlessly exposed to this virus.
We don't need all of us to be vaccinated 70% plus would be a huge achievement and it should develop a fairly high herd immunity level.I notice that they are all using the word "safety" as an excuse for their delay in rolling out the vaccine. I was looking at EuroNews today and lots of countries on the ball vaccinating people. I am sure that they are doing it safely.
Now we are being told that it will take until the end of 2021 before we are all vaccinated. Last week we were told that it would be done by the end of May, then we were told by late summer.
I can't believe that I am reading this. The countries businesses are on their knees. People are dying daily. We should be vaccinating all of our citizens as fast as we can, seven days a week and not waiting on the HSE to get it's act together. Something that should have been done months ago.The roll out of the vaccine and its effects will not be seen for months and that has been widely reported by all stakeholders, and if its the summer or autumn what difference does it make? the important thing here is that we have vaccines and they will over time eliminate the virus.
I just get the feeling that because the Pfizer vaccine is a two dose vaccine, the HSE doesn't have the IT ability to track those vaccinated. I hope that all their delays are not down to them backing one of the one dose vaccines because they are easier to administer and keep track of.Is it true that Ireland will only be administering the vaccine 5 days a week from 9 am until 5 pm?
Another quote today says that nursing homes will not be fully vaccinated until the end of February. Is this a joke?I read today that nursing homes are being scheduled for their vaccinations on the 11th January. Why not immediately?
I can't believe that I am reading this. The countries businesses are on their knees. People are dying daily. We should be vaccinating all of our citizens as fast as we can, seven days a week and not waiting on the HSE to get it's act together. Something that should have been done months ago.
I read today that nursing homes are being scheduled for their vaccinations on the 11th January. Why not immediately?
No, it's not a joke.Another quote today says that nursing homes will not be fully vaccinated until the end of February. Is this a joke?
Where was May referenced?Now we are being told that it will take until the end of 2021 before we are all vaccinated. Last week we were told that it would be done by the end of May, then we were told by late summer.
Whats so unbelievable? People will continue to die from Covid even with the vaccine.I can't believe that I am reading this. The countries businesses are on their knees. People are dying daily. We should be vaccinating all of our citizens as fast as we can, seven days a week and not waiting on the HSE to get it's act together. Something that should have been done months ago.
I read today that nursing homes are being scheduled for their vaccinations on the 11th January. Why not immediately?
How is it a joke? approximately 600 homes with thousands of staff, not to mention we have 10,000 doses now which will be used up by nurses and doctors who have given everything to help contain this virus since last March , some even their lives.Another quote today says that nursing homes will not be fully vaccinated until the end of February. Is this a joke?
Every vaccine will require 2 doses to achieve the stated efficiency levels right now.I just get the feeling that because the Pfizer vaccine is a two dose vaccine, the HSE doesn't have the IT ability to track those vaccinated. I hope that all their delays are not down to them backing one of the one dose vaccines because they are easier to administer and keep track of.
maybe they believed all the "experts" who were saying that a vaccine was years away. Its interesting though that Tony Holohan has barely discussed the vaccine and when probed by media was anything but positive.So why wasn't the issue of consent sorted out months ago?
You advocate taking away personal rights by legislating?maybe they believed all the "experts" who were saying that a vaccine was years away. Its interesting though that Tony Holohan has barely discussed the vaccine and when probed by media was anything but positive.
The government could sort out the consent issue with emergency legislation anyway, afterall they have exercised enormous powers since the start of the pandemic forcing businesses to close and they never got bogged down in "consent" or legalities with that.
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