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Olly64
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just wondering have some towns in ireland been given city status, i see sligo and drogheda referred to as cities, i thought these were provincial towns?
Cities in Ireland:I see Sligo and Drogheda referred to as cities not provincial towns
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Olly64
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Re: cities in ireland
saw them recently called cities in newspapers, thought there were towns given city status due to the population boom.
saw them recently called cities in newspapers, thought there were towns given city status due to the population boom.
Re: cities in ireland
Clonmel is definitely not a city! I didn't think Sligo was either but a recent thread on this site referred to it as a city?
Clonmel is definitely not a city! I didn't think Sligo was either but a recent thread on this site referred to it as a city?
Re: cities in ireland
Most of the places called "cities" in Ireland are little more than medium sized towns. Only have "city" status due to historic reasons. Consequently there are "towns" that are larger due to increased in population. Dublin is the only real city in Ireland - rest are at most large towns with strong provincial atmospheres. There are only 15 places in Ireland with populations more than 20k. Population figures betray most places - here's the top 5 from recent census.
1. Dublin - 1m
2. Cork - 190k
3. Limerick - 91k
4. Galway - 73k
5. Waterford - 49k.
Clonmel has only 17k people.
Dont let names on a map deceive you either. Many places in rural parts of Ireland appearing on maps of Ireland would not be on the map if they were in the east of the country e.g. a typical map of Ireland would usually include Tullamore (pop only 13k) & Thurles (pop only 8k), but may omit the likes of Swords (pop 34k) & Navan (pop 25k).
Most of the places called "cities" in Ireland are little more than medium sized towns. Only have "city" status due to historic reasons. Consequently there are "towns" that are larger due to increased in population. Dublin is the only real city in Ireland - rest are at most large towns with strong provincial atmospheres. There are only 15 places in Ireland with populations more than 20k. Population figures betray most places - here's the top 5 from recent census.
1. Dublin - 1m
2. Cork - 190k
3. Limerick - 91k
4. Galway - 73k
5. Waterford - 49k.
Clonmel has only 17k people.
Dont let names on a map deceive you either. Many places in rural parts of Ireland appearing on maps of Ireland would not be on the map if they were in the east of the country e.g. a typical map of Ireland would usually include Tullamore (pop only 13k) & Thurles (pop only 8k), but may omit the likes of Swords (pop 34k) & Navan (pop 25k).
Re: cities in ireland
Some of this is I think, debatable.
'city status due to historic reasons' what other reasons are there??
I've never heard of city status being conferred purely due to population if that is what you are saying...
'dublin is the only real city' what do you mean? If it's the population point again then see above - there are many large towns in e.g. England or Germany (200K +) that are not 'cities' but yet other much smaller urban centres are because of 'historic reasons'...
Can I ask, what as far as you know defines a city in this country?
Some of this is I think, debatable.
'city status due to historic reasons' what other reasons are there??
I've never heard of city status being conferred purely due to population if that is what you are saying...
'dublin is the only real city' what do you mean? If it's the population point again then see above - there are many large towns in e.g. England or Germany (200K +) that are not 'cities' but yet other much smaller urban centres are because of 'historic reasons'...
Can I ask, what as far as you know defines a city in this country?
Re: cities in ireland
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Guest127
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I thought that any place with a 'Borough' council was classed as a city.
Dundalk has the 8th largest population in the country
Dublin, Cork. Limerick, Galway, Waterford, Drogheda and Swords being the only centres with greater populations.
However it will always be know as 'The Town'
( assume Swords is just an overflow from Dublin city itself?)
Dundalk has the 8th largest population in the country
Dublin, Cork. Limerick, Galway, Waterford, Drogheda and Swords being the only centres with greater populations.
However it will always be know as 'The Town'
( assume Swords is just an overflow from Dublin city itself?)
In the census, the CSO seems to define the top five urban areas as cities, and everything else down to 1500 population as towns.
See page 15 of this census report:
http://www.cso.ie/census/documents/Final Principal Demographic Results 2006.pdf
See page 15 of this census report:
http://www.cso.ie/census/documents/Final Principal Demographic Results 2006.pdf
Usually a city has a charter from royalty or government, depending on who was in charge when it was given city status. Thing about city status is that it is never withdrawn when the place declines in importance over the centurys. Ireland is not the only country guilty in this regard - there are insignificant places all across europe with "city" status.
My point about the map is that the typical map that primary school kids learn in school and is given to tourists is deceptive. It gives the impression that certain towns are larger than they really are - their inclusion on the map gives the impression that they are significant population centres. These maps should list all towns/cities over a certain population to give an accurate picture of where the centres of population are.
My personal opinion on international standard for town and city sizes:
Large city = 3m+
City = 500k to 3m.
Large Town = 100k to 500k.
Town = 10k to 100k.
Village = <10k
My point about the map is that the typical map that primary school kids learn in school and is given to tourists is deceptive. It gives the impression that certain towns are larger than they really are - their inclusion on the map gives the impression that they are significant population centres. These maps should list all towns/cities over a certain population to give an accurate picture of where the centres of population are.
My personal opinion on international standard for town and city sizes:
Large city = 3m+
City = 500k to 3m.
Large Town = 100k to 500k.
Town = 10k to 100k.
Village = <10k
I thought that any place with a 'Borough' council was classed as a city.
Dundalk has the 8th largest population in the country
Dublin, Cork. Limerick, Galway, Waterford, Drogheda and Swords being the only centres with greater populations.
However it will always be know as 'The Town'
( assume Swords is just an overflow from Dublin city itself?)
Eh what about Tallaght Village ??? Last population figure I saw was over the 100,000 mark !!!
and according to this site Clondalkin, Lucan and Blanchardstown have bigger populations than Swords or Dundalk...
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Olly64
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were they trying to take the city status off kilkenny a few yeays ago, i remember posters in shops and pubs about it.
Drogheda has a website called www.droghedacity.com. I know its not a city.
Sligo has city status.
Sligo has city status.