Chris' New EV: a modern tale

Leo said:
Really though, if you are concerned with data collection at that scale you should ditch the smart phone
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Yes, but then don't use Google Maps as it works by collecting data in read time from motorists.
 
DannyBoyD said:
Does this happen when you buy petrol / diesel?
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If you have a smart phone in your possession, yes. If you pay with a card, yes. If they have ANPR cameras, yes.

If you own a smartphone, the likes of Tesla or ChargePoint introduce no substantive change to your risk profile.
 
DannyBoyD said:
@Leo so how many apps have you had to install on your phone to buy petrol/diesel?
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You seemed to be concerned that public EV charging might expose you to an unspecified risk due to data harvesting. I simply pointed out that if you have a smart phone that ship has already sailed, and then some. It's just another argument put forward by luddites.
 
With respect Leo I think that's a bit unfair. I'm no luddite but I certainly am in no hurry to buy an EV and one of the reasons would be the arguments put forward by the OP.
If you have to accept that
a) Not all petrol stations are suitable, something that is never an issue for ICE
b) You might have to try multiple petrol stations to find an available slot or face waiting quite a long time, again something that is never an issue for ICE unless we're going back to a fuel shortage crisis in the early 80s!
c) You cannot assume you can pay by cash or even card and you might even have to download a new app and register a new account

Then it's fine, go ahead. But even one of these is enough to persuade me to wait until this market is mature enough to be on an equal footing with ICE in terms of convenience.
 
Ceist Beag said:
With respect Leo I think that's a bit unfair. I'm no luddite but I certainly am in no hurry to buy an EV and one of the reasons would be the arguments put forward by the OP.
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I'm speaking specifically on the concern of data harvesting though.

I agree there are other valid reasons why people would choose something other than an EV, just as I did when I bought a new car last year.
 
@Leo

You misunderstand.

Again, its the entire process of EV charging, including the requirement for apps, that I object to.

If I choose to buy petrol & pay with cash, I can do so.
 
DannyBoyD said:
these are relatively easy problems to solve & should never have been allowed to arise in the first place.
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I would totally agree, you should be able to pull into any service station and plug your EV in just like you do with an ICE car
Not have to sign up to an APP or have a special plug that's unique to your car and be able to pay either in cash or card

Maybe in a decade or so someone with a couple of brain cells will figure this simple solution out
But until then we have to live life with the marketing philosophy of "There's an APP for that"
 
ArthurMcB said:
Chris needs to get a charger installed at his gaf for 700 quids net of grant.
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Not at all, if you can plug in a kettle you can plug in an EV.
ArthurMcB said:
But the prospect of ocassional topping up at a public charger should be considered fair game when you buy an ev. Tell chris to cop himself on
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I have been driving an EV, Nissan Leaf, since February and never charged it anywhere except using a 3 pin plug at home.

It costs me €1.30 to drive 100km.
 
DannyBoyD said:
The thing is however, these are relatively easy problems to solve & should never have been allowed to arise in the first place.
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Agreed. There should have been more done to create a charging infrastructure in the first place.

People have been encouraged to buy EVs on the promise of a great charging infrastructure but several years later, it’s still a significant challenge.

Thanks, but no thanks.
 
cremeegg said:
It costs me €1.30 to drive 100km
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How long does it take you to charge 100kms worth of lecky using a 3 pin?

Presumably 8 hours given the max a 3 pin can do is around 1800 w and 1 kw equates to about 7kms.

What tariff are you on? Presumably it includes an ev tariff of x cent for y hours? Usually 2 or 3 hours. Then youre on the night rate presumably 15c or so.

It coukdnt cost yoy 1.30 to charge 100kms worth of lecky with a 3 pin. The maths dont stack as they say.

It likely costs you closer to 1.90 which is still pretty sweet.

If you had a charger you coukd charge at 7kw ler hr so you d get 100kms worth of charge in two hours within ev window at say 9c that'd cost ya about 1.30

60c saving times 365 is about 220 so given that you can get a charger for 700 the oaybks about 3 yrs or so.
 
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But the point im simply trying to make is that a 3 pin is kind of a waste of time. You cant fully avail of the ev charging window whereas with a charger you can and over time the savings add up. Sweet dreams
 
Salvadore said:
People have been encouraged to buy EVs on the promise of a great charging infrastructure but several years later, it’s still a significant challenge.

Thanks, but no thanks.
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A few years ago I needed to replace my car. Do I go down the EV route or continue with diesel.

A quick search revealed many articles and posts similar in tone to this one. It was a simple decision, Diesel. I just couldn't out myself through this range anxiety nor the panic that sets in when you can't find a suitable charger.

There are enough frustrations in daily life without adding any more.

I will look to change the car in a year or two. I'm not sure much will have changed so will likely be diesel again. My only problem on a long journey will be getting a station selling at a cheapish price per litre.

Chris should have done more research before buying an EV. The Internet is littered with poor roll out posts and articles.
 
Persia said:
should have done more research before buying an EV
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I own an EV & don't regret buying it; even as I sometimes find non-domestic charging an irritation.

All of the things in the OP have happened to me at one time or another.

Interesting that no one commented on non-EVs using charging points as parking spaces - my personal bug bear.
 
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