Cabinet announced new measures (18-Aug-20)

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All outdoor events will be limited to fifteen people, down from 200, under strict new limits on public gatherings agreed by cabinet this afternoon.

Under the restrictions, that will remain in place until 13 September at the earliest, indoor events will be limited to six people - reduced from 50 - except for businesses likes shops and restaurants which are subject to separate rules.

Weddings will be exempted from the new restrictions, meaning they can go ahead with fifty people.

The measures agreed by cabinet will mean that matches and other sporting fixtures will have to take place behind closed doors.

Gardaí will be given new powers to enforce rules around social gatherings, particularly in restaurants or bars serving food, and in private homes.

Under the measures agreed by cabinet, people will be advised to work from home and to avoid using public transport, unless absolutely necessary.
 
More details:
- All visits to homes will be limited to six people from outside the home from no more than 3 households both indoors and outdoors.
- Outdoor gatherings will be limited to 15 people
- Religious services and businesses, such as shops and restaurants, are subject to separate rules than the above
- Restaurants and cafes can remain open with mandatory restrictions on closing times of 11:30pm
- Sports events and matches will revert to behind closed doors with strict avoidance of social gatherings before and after events.
- Indoor and outdoor training should follow the six indoor and 15 outdoor guidance.

www.irishexaminer.com

New Garda powers and tighter restrictions on gatherings as Ireland sees 190 Covid-19 cases

All these restrictions will apply until September 13
www.irishexaminer.com www.irishexaminer.com
 
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Gyms can remain open, but no more than six people will be alllowed in an exercise class at any given time.
 
Legislation will be introduced to enable the gardaí to immediately close down any pub or facility abusing the public health measures.

Taoiseach Micheál Martin has said that Government will consider the issue of the general reopening of pubs at the end of August.
 
EmmDee said:
Thanks. I asked because my kid is teaching at a kids summer camp thing. Assuming that gets cancelled so (more than 6 indoors / 15 outdoors)
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There are so many contradictions and exceptions, I wouldn't assume anything. It will take them a month to clarify.
 
They wont get it down to low levels again. people are now fed up of the whole thing after 5 months in and huge amounts of money already spent. The statistics are all over the place anyway and are not reliable, 200 sunday, 56 monday, 190 today. Unless you put the army on the streets you wont get that compliance again.
 
joe sod said:
They wont get it down to low levels again. people are now fed up of the whole thing after 5 months in and huge amounts of money already spent. The statistics are all over the place anyway and are not reliable, 200 sunday, 56 monday, 190 today. Unless you put the army on the streets you wont get that compliance again.
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You expect the statistics to be the same everyday?
Its clear from the figures the general direction of cases increasing... something like 4th highest rate of increase in EU.
Daily blips are just an admin thing.

Its the increase trend that is real concern not the raw numbers. And the R number is now 1.6.
This virus can double week on week.
 
odyssey06 said:
Its the increase trend that is real concern not the raw numbers. And the R number is now 1.6.
This virus can double week on week.
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but the R number is based on the statistics, the statistics are based on the testing which is wholly inadequate anyway and not measuring the true infection rate (and I still dont trust the statistics anyway because I think manipulation is going on in what days they choose to enter them). The only reason the R number went up is because they had to do widespread testing in the factories and guess what they found coronavirus. Therefore there are probably alot of people that get mild coronavirus symptoms, say nothing. get better and are probably doing this because of the whole naming and shaming associated with it. They dont want to be blamed for causing clusters and this is just human nature.
 
I dont think its the cases in factories or DP that spooks them as much as the other half of the cases that dont seem to have any connection to such clusters.
A large number of cases is one cluster is different risk to casea distributed around the country.
Both types of cases are on the rise.

I take point re not wanting to be 'blamed'. But people have probably been doing that since this started.
 
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joe sod said:
The only reason the R number went up is because they had to do widespread testing in the factories and guess what they found coronavirus.
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Are you suggesting that recent testing has been misdirected? Do you think they were deliberately targeting testing to avoid clusters? The volume of testing hasn't changed (~100,000 per week with a running cost of €75M per month), it is primarily aimed at those showing symptoms and contacts of confirmed cases. The reason the R number is up is linked to the number of close contacts per confirmed cases rising.

joe sod said:
and are probably doing this because of the whole naming and shaming associated with it.
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What naming and shaming?
 
joe sod said:
but the R number is based on the statistics, the statistics are based on the testing which is wholly inadequate anyway and not measuring the true infection rate (and I still dont trust the statistics anyway because I think manipulation is going on in what days they choose to enter them).
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It's becoming tiring - "the numbers aren't what I think there should be therefore there is a massive conspiracy happening". If you have anything concrete backing up your lack of trust, please include it. Otherwise it's just a case of not liking the numbers and wishful thinking that they were different.

Just FYI - look at reported numbers for any country. There is a repeated pattern of Sunday and Monday numbers being lower with a pop up on Tuesdays. Also, adjusted numbers get reported regularly where older cases get confirmed and added to the numbers. Do you think there might be an alternative, more straightforward, explanation than a coordinated manipulation effort?
 
Leo said:
Are you suggesting that recent testing has been misdirected? Do you think they were deliberately targeting testing to avoid clusters?
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They were testing what was presented to them which was probably mostly negative , "the worried well", they were not going and doing testing at big enough volume in known problem areas like meat factories and direct provision centres and the link between meat factories and direct provision centres has not been broken. The R number is high because they were not picking up the actual infection rate previously whereas now they are picking some of it up because they have moved their detection to where the infection is. The R number is just the detection it is not the actual infection.
 
A 100,000 a week???? We have never tested that. We don't even have capacity for that. There has only been three days in the past weeks where we tested over 10,000 and the system wasn't able to cope fully. We have been on average testing less than 5,000 a day or 35,000 a week. We should have been testing factories, direct provision centres and other high risk settings including general community testing but instead we wound down the test and trace as the numbers fell. Now they are scrambling to get it going again.
 
Leo said:
That's what we're currently paying for anyway.
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Might be what we are paying for but we not doing it and haven't for months if we ever did.


To decision to restrict testing to suspect cases referred by GP's while knowing we had high risk settings like Direct Provision and Factories needs to be explained. Why did it take a huge outbreak for them to carry out widespread testing? We have been hearing for months that we are behind other Countries and we can learn from their mistakes and see where they had problems. Clusters and Outbreaks in factories and direct provision centres were seen in plenty of other countries and we didn't do anything.
 
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