BER Certificate requirement for the sale or letting of property starts on 1st Jan 09

[joejoe]

Re: Ber Certificate requirement for the sale or letting of property starts on 1st Jan

If you belive you could set yourself up for 1800 Euro why don't you go ahead. You will soon find that outlay growing quiet a bit.

Paddyboy, how much did it cost you?

Joejoe

 

[PADDYBOY99]

Re: Ber Certificate requirement for the sale or letting of property starts on 1st Jan

Assuming you have transport and a premises to work from you would be looking close on 5k to set you up.
Training 2,350
Lap top 650
Reg 1000 plus VAT
Public liability insurrance.
company Reg.
Promotion, Business cards, fliers etc.


Not to mention all the other requirements like mobile phone etc.
It wouldn't be long adding up. Also if you had to borrow the money to get you started you would have to service this loan until the company starts to make money. Let S.L.F. see how he gets on seting up for 1800 Euro.

 

[Bronte]

Re: Ber Certificate requirement for the sale or letting of property starts on 1st Jan

I'm getting confused, the qualifications that are required for this is a course that costs 1800 Euro, how long does it take to get qualified, we're not talking about a two day course or something surely for someone with no other qualifications? Do you not have to be an engineer/surveyor/expert also?

 

[MrMan]

Re: Ber Certificate requirement for the sale or letting of property starts on 1st Jan

You need a qualification in construction or construction orientated qualification before you can take on the course.

 

[Bronte]

Re: Ber Certificate requirement for the sale or letting of property starts on 1st Jan

You need a qualification in construction or construction orientated qualification before you can take on the course.

Phew, and thanks MrMan always good on these things. Do you know why new properties would be allowed to be exempt?

 

[MrMan]

Re: Ber Certificate requirement for the sale or letting of property starts on 1st Jan

Phew, and thanks MrMan always good on these things. Do you know why new properties would be allowed to be exempt?

New and existing properties have to be certified, its just that existing properties only have to be certified from Jan '09 and new were from Jan '08 (or thereabouts). For new as far as I know, the builder can get it done from the plans on the spec that is supposed to go into the houses rather than actually doing it on the finished product, which is cheaper to do and more open to cheating i.e the spec might be high, but the finish may not be as its meant to be.

 

[S.L.F]

Re: Ber Certificate requirement for the sale or letting of property starts on 1st Jan

If you believe you could set yourself up for 1800 Euro why don't you go ahead. You will soon find that outlay growing quiet a bit.

I work for myself so I am all too well aware of how costs can build up.

The costs of my tools and equip would run into the many more thousands than what it would cost for someone to train to be a BER surveyor.

Only recently bought €1500 worth of stuff for the business.

Assuming you have transport and a premises to work from you would be looking close on 5k to set you up.
Training 2,350
Lap top 650
Reg 1000 plus VAT
Public liability insurance.
company Reg.
Promotion, Business cards, fliers etc.


Not to mention all the other requirements like mobile phone etc.
It wouldn't be long adding up. Also if you had to borrow the money to get you started you would have to service this loan until the company starts to make money.

All the things you've mentioned are just the costs of doing business

Let S.L.F. see how he gets on setting up for 1800 Euro.

LOL

Thanks but no thanks I've worked honestly for many years and plan to do so for many more anyway none of my customers have ever had the threat of jail or a €5000 fine for not using this type of service.

 

[joker538]

Re: Ber Certificate requirement for the sale or letting of property starts on 1st Jan

Nowhere have I seen anybody saying it will take an hour and a half to survey a property, normally an hour. 1
1-2 hours on a computer. Come on you are not writing a novel. You have a few things to take into consideration type of heating, insulation, vents, walls and windows. What else is there?

Say it costs €400 to survey a property or suppose you can get more surveyed in a day than you think you can or suppose you get faster at your computer than you are now, suppose you do all your calling on set days and do all your PC work on other set days.

Where would these thoughts change your figures?

Since you have not even started to do this as a business my figures make as much sense as yours.

€1800 for a course that gives you a business that people have to use or they get fined or thrown in jail, yeah give me a slice of that cake please!

I was estimating times as I am currently only doing the course. However If you read all my post I also said as you become proficient you could do more certs per day. I would also note that from what I have heard the system in place for certification in the UK is far more simplistic than the system used in Ireland.

If you really believe people who do this course are going to be making €18000 - €28800 per week you should do the course yourself..

 

[STAC]

Re: Ber Certificate requirement for the sale or letting of property starts on 1st Jan

Regarding lenting and renting, a BER cert is required when a new tenant is being registered.
Regarding sale of dwellings, all dwelling offered for sale from 1st Jan 2009 will require a BER cert when offered for sale.
Regarding Builders and new houses, a provisional cert is done off plans this allows the dwelling to be sold before it is build. On completion the dwelling needs to be inspected and a full cert issued as with all other dwellings.
A lot of the talk is about the enforcement of the new BER regs but little of the benefits,
The main purpose of the scheme is to inform prospective tenants or purchasers of dwellings. Giving them an easy to read guide as to how much it will cost to run a property compared to a comparable property in the same area giving them the opportunity to make an informed decision which up until now was not available.

Hopefully the end result should be that when the general public latch on to this it will make the landlords/ Developers pay more attention to the energy efficiencies of their properties (and provide a better service to their clients) as they will be able to sell or rent them easier providing jobs for builders upgrading existing buildings and reducing the cost of running a home for the general public.

I have a company specialising in BER certs and other energy services in the munster area if any one has any queries about the new Building Energy Rating system please feel free to contact us and we will do our best to clarify everything.


www.stac.ie

 

[Butter]

Re: Ber Certificate requirement for the sale or letting of property starts on 1st Jan

Regarding lenting and renting, a BER cert is required when a new tenant is being registered.

So, can I clarify this please? When I register my tenancy (and pay my €70) with the PTRB I also have to provide a BER Certificate? So is the PTRB now regulating the BER Cert as well? Who takes me to court if I don't provide my cert when the tenancy is registered? What about landlords who are not registered by the PTRB - are they off the hook again?
New builds have their BER Rating granted automatically based on the specs submitted to whom? Does anyone check specs against the reality of the build?
Can someone direct me to the legislation involved in all of this please? I think I'm more confused than I was when I initially posted!

 

[Lak]

Re: Ber Certificate requirement for the sale or letting of property starts on 1st Jan

Maybe if you live in a large city like Dublin there could be the volume of work to enable an assessor to complete two a day. Out west there is no way I will ever be undertaking 10 assessments a week, bearing in mind just how nany qualified people there are. Some of the posts here are absurd, how any one could envisage a man completeing 12 a day or some such nonsense is ludicrous. Those that are ridiculeing the earning capacity of being a BER assessor and the relevant timescales have never even seen the software and all it entails let alone having the abillity to undertake, comprehend then successfully pass the SEI exams. If it was such a cash cow, those that seem to know in such certain terms how easy it is would be out making three or four grand themselves would they not surely.
In the UK there are dozens upon dozens of estate agents on every city centre corner with thousands upon thousands of propetys.

 

[gafferino]

Re: Ber Certificate requirement for the sale or letting of property starts on 1st Jan

Folks I have to say what I have been reading in this post has shocked me. I have a BEng and MSc in engineering and have been qualified to complete BER's for new builds since 2007. I can 100% confirm that if anyone claims to survey your house and complete a report (some english guy apparently) in 30 mins then they are not doing their job. As for the man whose 9 year old daughter can produce the report he hasn't got the faintest idea what he is talking about.
On average - taking into account location, type of house and that a professional job is being done - it would be possible to complete 2 a day or maybe 5 in two days.
Before people go off on one ranting about prices go to and find out what is involved and why it is being done - this is not just a money making venture - it is hoped we will see real results as people become aware of their energy use and carbon footprint.
Also this is EU wide legislation not just Ireland.

 

[S.L.F]

Re: Ber Certificate requirement for the sale or letting of property starts on 1st Jan

I was estimating times as I am currently only doing the course. However If you read all my post I also said as you become proficient you could do more certs per day.

So you don't actually know how many you could get done in a day.

Well let me clue you in.
I called an Irish company today to ask them how long they spend on site and I was told about 1/2 an hour.
So with that information on hand do you think it would be possible to call to 12 houses in a day or not?

I would also note that from what I have heard the system in place for certification in the UK is far more simplistic than the system used in Ireland.

Please tell me why the Irish system has to be more complicated?

If you really believe people who do this course are going to be making €18000 - €28800 per week you should do the course yourself..

I'm a sash window restorer and many other things besides.

I have no interest in filling forms, pushing paper and stamping certs.

I'll leave that for you to do.

And you're welcome!

 

[PADDYBOY99]

Re: Ber Certificate requirement for the sale or letting of property starts on 1st Jan

I agree if a person recons they are carrying out more then this a day I would question their results, especially when dealing with the second hand market where every house design is different with a multitude of alterations done over the years.

Folks I have to say what I have been reading in this post has shocked me. I have a BEng and MSc in engineering and have been qualified to complete BER's for new builds since 2007. I can 100% confirm that if anyone claims to survey your house and complete a report (some english guy apparently) in 30 mins then they are not doing their job. As for the man whose 9 year old daughter can produce the report he hasn't got the faintest idea what he is talking about.
On average - taking into account location, type of house and that a professional job is being done - it would be possible to complete 2 a day or maybe 5 in two days.
Before people go off on one ranting about prices go to and find out what is involved and why it is being done - this is not just a money making venture - it is hoped we will see real results as people become aware of their energy use and carbon footprint.
Also this is EU wide legislation not just Ireland.

 

[joejoe]

Re: Ber Certificate requirement for the sale or letting of property starts on 1st Jan

Assuming you have transport and a premises to work from you would be looking close on 5k to set you up.
Training 2,350
Lap top 650
Reg 1000 plus VAT
Public liability insurrance.
company Reg.
Promotion, Business cards, fliers etc.


Not to mention all the other requirements like mobile phone etc.
It wouldn't be long adding up. Also if you had to borrow the money to get you started you would have to service this loan until the company starts to make money. Let S.L.F. see how he gets on seting up for 1800 Euro.

Also P.I. cover (if your wise)

Joejoe

 

[joker538]

Re: Ber Certificate requirement for the sale or letting of property starts on 1st Jan

Well let me clue you in.
I called an Irish company today to ask them how long they spend on site and I was told about 1/2 an hour.
So with that information on hand do you think it would be possible to call to 12 houses in a day or not?

If you refer to the post by Gafferino, he states that to do a professional job "it would be possible to complete 2 a day or maybe 5 in two days."

Please tell me why the Irish system has to be more complicated?

I dont know why the Irish system has to be more complicated it is just the way that the software is set out in Ireland over the UK

I'm a sash window restorer and many other things besides.

I have no interest in filling forms, pushing paper and stamping certs.

I'll leave that for you to do.

And you're welcome!

And good luck to you. I was only replying to what I felt were inaccuracies in your posts. If you cant be an adult about it perhaps you shouold find another forum to post on.

 

[STAC]

Re: Ber Certificate requirement for the sale or letting of property starts on 1st Jan

So, can I clarify this please? When I register my tenancy (and pay my €70) with the PTRB I also have to provide a BER Certificate? So is the PTRB now regulating the BER Cert as well? Who takes me to court if I don't provide my cert when the tenancy is registered? What about landlords who are not registered by the PTRB - are they off the hook again?
New builds have their BER Rating granted automatically based on the specs submitted to whom? Does anyone check specs against the reality of the build?
Can someone direct me to the legislation involved in all of this please? I think I'm more confused than I was when I initially posted!

The people responible for policing the whole system are Building control dept in each local authorty. They are at present suppose to inspect the condition of rental properties registered with PTRB. This however as you know is not done as frequently as intended, due to (they say) staff constraints. €50 of your €70 fee paid to PTRB is for these inspections. The BER cert however will not need as much less staff (building control) as all certs are on web database and it will only take mins to check.
I agree landlords not registered with PTRB will be a lot harder to police for BER compliance.
New building do not have BER granted automatically. Plans and specs are submitted to BER assessor, from these a provisional cert for 2 years or completion of build (whichever is shorter) at this time the house will be inspected and assessed as with all other existing houses and ten year cert issued. If house is not build to specs orginalily given the cert will be downgraded and the buyer can pull out of contract.
If you wish to read up on the european legislation and its implementation please visit sei web page [broken link removed]

If you have any other queries please feel free to contact us. PM or www.stac.ie

 

[S.L.F]

Re: Ber Certificate requirement for the sale or letting of property starts on 1st Jan

If you refer to the post by Gafferino, he states that to do a professional job "it would be possible to complete 2 a day or maybe 5 in two days."

Gafferino is a nameless faceless person since they only have 2 posts its not possible to verify what they say.

What I can say is the person I spoke to told me they could survey a property in a half hour and since you have not started to survey properties yet, anything you say must be taken with a pinch of salt.

And good luck to you. I was only replying to what I felt were inaccuracies in your posts. If you cant be an adult about it perhaps you shouold find another forum to post on.

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[joejoe]

Re: Ber Certificate requirement for the sale or letting of property starts on 1st Jan

Sash window restoration is only one of many things I'm able to do I can make kitchens, cupboards, book cases, wardrobes, tables, chairs, stools and all from scratch to what ever design and finish someone had in mind.

I can repair all the above not to mention doors, windows (all wooden types), floors and surrounds.

Regarding sash windows if you did any investigation on the subject of sash window restoration you'd know the only people who are qualified to restore sash windows are cabinet makers and joiners, your common garden variety chippie is not able nor qualified to restore sash windows properly.

Agreed, there is a massive difference between fitting a skirting board or joist Vs restoring a sash window or making furniture.

There was a lot of money to be made in your area of work. I have found some guys rates have droped by 50%.

So if you can supplement your income with doing BER cert, good look to you.

Joejoe

 

[S.L.F]

Re: Ber Certificate requirement for the sale or letting of property starts on 1st Jan

Agreed, there is a massive difference between fitting a skirting board or joist Vs restoring a sash window or making furniture.

There was a lot of money to be made in your area of work. I have found some guys rates have droped by 50%.

So if you can supplement your income with doing BER cert, good look to you.

Joejoe

I have no interest in doing BER surveys.

I wouldn't have the time.