T McGibney
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So Donnelly wants the State, which is already indebted to the point of ruination, to borrow even more, with the taxpayer again left to meet the cost of repaying these additional borrowings.
However, Irish Water is borrowing on balance sheet so the Irish State can borrow on balance sheet, but at a much lower cost, to do exactly the same thing. It costs approximately twice as much money in Ireland per capita to supply water as it does in the UK, including in Northern Ireland where there is a similar geography and population density. Therein lies the answer to finding the several hundred million euro per year required for capital investment in the system."
Extract from Stephen Donnelly. DAIL.
It is really a very minor issue for most people. A small decrease in Income tax / USC would offset the charges - but then the main Protestors might not get the benefit of this.
So Donnelly wants the State, which is already indebted to the point of ruination, to borrow even more, with the taxpayer again left to meet the cost of repaying these additional borrowings.
I am confused by the above. It all comes from the taxpayer in the end.
His point was the method and costs involved, maybe better to include it in the LPT after LPT is sorted out.(*ability to pay, city valuations, etc)
No, it doesn't. Hundreds of thousands of taxpayers don't use or have access to public water supplies. Hundreds of thousands of public water consumers don't pay taxes.
See above.
I think the point here was based on income tax rather than transaction taxes monagt. While everybody pays VAT and all motorists pay or should pay car tax these taxes are utilized in supporting the existing Gov spend and would be difficult to adjust to cover water infrastructure changes and repairs.(Every one pays Taxes)
Hundreds of thousands of taxpayers don't use or have access to public water supplies. (Group Scheme or Wells, I presume, maybe the low LPT makes up some of the difference here
and I won't mention the scourge of Ribbon Development here)
Hundreds of thousands of public water consumers don't pay taxes. -> Name one (Every one pays Taxes)
Maybe it does. But you tell me how LPT can be flexed in order to discourage wilful waste of potable treated water and I'll gladly concede your point. Incidentally group water schemes charge by metered use and such schemes saw consumers drastically cutting their water usage when usage-based charging was introduced.
But you did. Look up the definition of ribbon development. It's an urban phenomenon and ribbon development homes in Irish towns and villages are usually connected to public water utilities.
This is a silly point. Huge numbers collect more in direct financial payments from the State than they pay in taxes.
Maybe it does. But you tell me how LPT can be flexed in order to discourage wilful waste of potable treated water and I'll gladly concede your point. Incidentally group water schemes charge by metered use and such schemes saw consumers drastically cutting their water usage when usage-based charging was introduced.
Similar specious argument could be made for funding electricity or gas charges through general taxation.
They are as necessary for human life as water. This is rubbish economics.
- Agree, my last commentI think this thread has jumped the shark.
I think this thread has jumped the shark.
I'm sure you don't mean to suggest that human life only started with the ESB!
I see Paul Murphy TD (c90k salary + very very generous expenses + gold plated pension) got his request for legal aid granted yesterday for his upcoming water protest/illegal detention legal case.-
FF, SF, AAA/PBP, Marxists, Criminal, Tax Dodger, Sinner, Black Economy, Leninist, Social Welfare Freeloaders & Parasites, Trouble makers = Anti Irish Water + Anti Water Charges
E&OE
I see Paul Murphy TD (c90k salary + very very generous expenses + gold plated pension) got his request for legal aid granted yesterday for his upcoming water protest/illegal detention legal case.
Only in Ireland
----> Until 2001, I was on GWS and paid water rates to Meath, no meter so it must be a new thing.
The vast majority of these developments are on the edges of towns and villages, which are served by public water utilities.----> And I thought it related to a string of Bungalows along a country road rather than in a village/town where services were more economical to provide.
Please provide examples of wilful (that is deliberate, intentional, conscious, purposeful) waste of water by Irish citizens.
The figures that I have seen indicate an expected drop in consumption of 10% due to charging.
2001 is 15 years ago.
The vast majority of these developments are on the edges of towns and villages.
You've just answered your own question.
Doesn't alter my point though.--> True, but you do but you see a lots of Bungalow Bliss houses lined along county roads
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