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jim said:
But if the court decides he is entitled to free legal aid based on their criteria who the heck are you or i to pass judgement and say he shouldnt be getting it? Also he isnt a solictor so you cant suggest that just because he isnt a dope or destitute then he shouldnt be getting the free legal aid.

Let me put it to you like this and i look forward to your reply on this: why do you think "its a disgrace" that he Is getting free legal aid, assuming that he is entitled to it?
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It's a disgrace that someone on a TD's package can get legal aid. Full stop.
Is there some sort of 'Universal legal aid' in place that we weren't aware of...perhaps based on the Dutch model ;)
 
I dont support PM. Your anger at his receipt of legal aid is misguided. If he is legally entitled to it as an individual based on the legal criteria then end of story. Your anger perhaps should be directed at the criteria that allows him to claim it as an individual.

I dont know what the criteria is but if he falls within it then who cares. Good luck to him. Cant be throwin muck at him just because of his profession (public rep) his circumstamces have been deemed to fall within the criteria allowing him to receive legal aid in the same way as it would for any ither individuals. Get off his case and direct your frustration at the legal system allowing him to receive it but im sure there are well thought out legal grounds allowing an individual to get legal aid so all in all this is a silly thig to be debating/getting annoyed at.
 
It's not the legal system that sets the levels for legal aid, it's the political system. Of which Paul Murphy is part of.

If Murphy 'gives away' some of his salary, then more fool him. But that shouldn't be taken into account when deciding if he's eligible for legal aid
 
He doesnt give it away he doesnt donate it. Its effectively taken from him by his party.of course its the legal sustem that sets it. How would would the polital sysyem have anything to do with it!!

In this situation murphy is an individual seeking legal aid based on his means. The court obviously assess that and make a decision. It doesnt matter what his profession is all the court are interested in, and riggtly so, is his means. If they deem it such that he is entitled to legal aid then thats the end of the matter!!
 
Suspension of water charges , a review of public sector pay , rent supplement increases et al - at least the thought of a centre right party is rapidly disappearing !
 
Deiseblue said:
Suspension of water charges , a review of public sector pay , rent supplement increases et al - at least the thought of a centre right party is rapidly disappearing !
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As is a sustainable economy which can pay for it all in the longer term.
 
As if a Centre right party truly ever existed.

Money for all by the looks of it. What could go wrong
 
Cervelo said:
Well that's FF for you, they still haven't learned from their past mistakes :rolleyes:
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Either have FG or Labour or any of the other parties. That's because the electorate haven't learned either and they elect the TD's. We get the government we deserve.
 
Purple said:
Either have FG or Labour or any of the other parties. That's because the electorate haven't learned either and they elect the TD's. We get the government we deserve.
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This is true, so what is the answer vote for independents only, who are really only interested in their local area rather then the country as a whole
 
Cervelo said:
This is true, so what is the answer vote for independents only, who are really only interested in their local area rather then the country as a whole
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The alternative is to vote Sinn Féin. That is what FF and FG are really afraid of happening. When you look hard and cold at the political landscape in Ireland, Sinn Féin is becoming the new Fianna Fáil. How long the SF bandwagon will keep rolling is the issue not the Independents. I am not saying it is a good or bad thing, but it is the issue - forget the smakescreen that is Irish Water.
 
Cervelo said:
This is true, so what is the answer vote for independents only, who are really only interested in their local area rather then the country as a whole
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I'm not sure what the answer is, but I don't that is really true of Shane Ross, Finian McGrath, or Katherine Zappone, to name a few?
Has anyone told Michael Ring of FG, for example, or Sean Haughey of FF, for example, that there is an Ireland outside their constituencies?
I'm sure people could name other big party TDs renowned for their 'local' touch.

Even with the big parties, you have situations where party colleagues run against party colleagues, this encourages 'localism'.
Even a TD or minister who wants to be a national not a local politician can't afford to take eye off the constituency.
 
odyssey06 said:
I'm not sure what the answer is, but I don't that is really true of Shane Ross, Finian McGrath, or Katherine Zappone, to name a few?
Has anyone told Michael Ring of FG, for example, or Sean Haughey of FF, for example, that there is an Ireland outside their constituencies?
I'm sure people could name other big party TDs renowned for their 'local' touch.

Even with the big parties, you have situations where party colleagues run against party colleagues, this encourages 'localism'.
Even a TD or minister who wants to be a national not a local politician can't afford to take eye off the constituency.
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FG proposed moving to a list system at the election before last but once in power ignored the idea.
As long as we have the current electoral system we will keep electing local councillors to our parliament.

That doesn't change the other problem which is that the populace want the state to be their mammy.
 
Purple said:
FG proposed moving to a list system at the election before last but once in power ignored the idea.
As long as we have the current electoral system we will keep electing local councillors to our parliament.
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I think that's a symptom as much as a cause. We have a broken local system here whereby local TDs are having to get involved to get county councils to do things. Things that county councils should be doing already, even without councillors (or TDs) having to get them to do it.
I'm not keen on a pure list system and while that could change, I just can't see Irish people ever voting for it in a constitutional referendum.
I think multi-seat constituencies need to go, but there should still be a place for a single constituency elected TD and all other TDs on a list system, and that might be passed in a referendum. You get two votes, one for a national party list and one for a candidate in your own constituency.
 
Purple said:
FG proposed moving to a list system at the election before last but once in power ignored the idea.
As long as we have the current electoral system we will keep electing local councillors to our parliament.

That doesn't change the other problem which is that the populace want the state to be their mammy.
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Of course the populace want the state to be their mammy. Ireland has the same relevance in the EU as Bedfordshire. In the wash of the 1916 centenary celebrations recently lots of us think we are members of a political world force. The reality is we are an EU backwater. Sooner or later we will become a playground of the rich (look at the way we're churning out golf courses). Also look at the voting population of County Kerry. It is not a county of gombeens; they know how to vote and probably have less pot-holes per capita than say Cork city where I dodge road jacuzzis every morning while driving to work. If I could vote for a Healy-Rae instead of a Martin or Coveney, I would. Isn't God on their side?
 
Leper , " road jacuzzis " - brilliantly descriptive !

In an effort to defang the various parties of the left the prospective Government & FF have veered substantially to the left in the agreed plan for Governance :)
 
Leper said:
Of course the populace want the state to be their mammy. Ireland has the same relevance in the EU as Bedfordshire. In the wash of the 1916 centenary celebrations recently lots of us think we are members of a political world force. The reality is we are an EU backwater. Sooner or later we will become a playground of the rich (look at the way we're churning out golf courses). Also look at the voting population of County Kerry. It is not a county of gombeens; they know how to vote and probably have less pot-holes per capita than say Cork city where I dodge road jacuzzis every morning while driving to work. If I could vote for a Healy-Rae instead of a Martin or Coveney, I would. Isn't God on their side?
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My father was an economist/accountant and he came out with a comment in the early eighties that has always stuck with me about the relevance of Ireland in the EU
"Ireland will become to Europe what the Aran Islands are to Ireland"
 
Deiseblue said:
Leper , " road jacuzzis " - brilliantly descriptive !

In an effort to defang the various parties of the left the prospective Government & FF have veered substantially to the left in the agreed plan for Governance :)
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Hang on a bit there "veered"................. Bertie was a Socialist. ;)
 
Deiseblue said:
Leper , " road jacuzzis " - brilliantly descriptive !

In an effort to defang the various parties of the left the prospective Government & FF have veered substantially to the left in the agreed plan for Governance :)
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Is pure populism a move to the Left or just buying people with their own money?
 
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