Unions on the run now.Would you now pass the picket?

It very simple, the Irish people through their voting choices have copperfastened the social partnership process (and the positions of unions in it) over the last 20 years. The fat cats issue is a red herring..

Not really since no politcial party came out against social partnership or benchmarking so just because you voted for FF doesn't mean you voted in favour of social partnership or benchmarking.
 
Not really since no politcial party came out against social partnership or benchmarking

Regardless of what a political party thinks does not negate the citizens need to think!

[/quote=Sunny;834564] so just because you voted for FF doesn't mean you voted in favour of social partnership or benchmarking.[/quote]

Actually, yes it does. However, I could agree that you might have been voting for FF for other reasons aside from benchmarking.
 
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0323/partnership.html

So much for democracy then. Why have a vote at all if that's what you're going to do?

Worth remembering that Impact balloted for industrial action, not necessarily for a strike. I spoke to several members who despite voting yes, were not in favour of a strike, only some lesser form of industrial action.

I'd say if the ballot was for a strike the number voting in favour would have been much lower.
 
Its been anounced that IMPACT have not got a mandate to go ahead with the proposed strike on March 30th.
It has also been said that they will try another tact to change the rules to allow the 65% vote to get a mandate to strike. fianna fail and lisbon come to mind
Turlough O Sullivan, is correct in saying that lots of workers understand that the last thing their companys need is this strike.
Are we finally getting some perspective. I feel it would be acceptable now to pass the picket as it was not voted for.
Can you imagine the airport closing down ,due to the proposed strike.what in the name of God will this achieve?
What message are the Union leaders giving to their members? How can a "Leader " suggest a strike ,when its clear that its the last thing we need.
Hopefully Union "leaders" will do the responsible thing.
Have these leaders taken a salary cut or freeze?
We badly need to protect our jobs and not put them in jeopardy.
OK,letting off steam over for the day:D

Interesting to see that Impact are going to try and find a way around their own rules,to ensure that strike goes ahead - now that's what I call integrity...........as for leadership - most of the union top brass only respond to the 'he who shouts loudest' types - usually those who are most cushioned and protected. I have no doubt that they will continue to subvert the national interest - as that is what is deemed neccessary to do their bidding.

It is vomit inducing to observe the queue of Irish 'leaders' waiting to kick the majority of citizens where it hurts - Cowen et al in FF, the prime culprits in the making of this disaster. The so called social partners (or 'socialist' partners) - the champions of 'jobs and money for the few', at the expense of the many- no matter what the cost.

We need an election now, to sweep this lot into oblivion. All we need is the Greens to have the moral courage to pull the plug, and the opposition to come up with a radical manifesto for a New Ireland. That's not too much to ask for.....is it........?
 
I am a member of Impact and voted No on the ballot so would be very annoyed if the union tried to find some way around the 66% rule. I would most probably leave the union.
To be honest, I'm surprised as many as 65% voted yes as the vibe I got from a lot of my colleagues was they had no appetitie to strike.
Most people I talk to are very critical of the government but also of the union's performance in recent months and personally I am not impressed with McCloone.
I don't think an all out strike will look good internationally even though I have no faith in the current government and am going to use future elections to voice my protest.
 
I am a member of Impact and voted No on the ballot so would be very annoyed if the union tried to find some way around the 66% rule. I would most probably leave the union.
To be honest, I'm surprised as many as 65% voted yes as the vibe I got from a lot of my colleagues was they had no appetitie to strike.
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Most people who are against the strike probably just didn't vote. Wasn't the turnout around 50% or something so really less than 40% of all impact members voted for industrial action.
Problem now though is that will people cross a picket?
 
Problem now though is that will people cross a picket?

Do you mean colleagues or the general public?

Personally, I would be delighted to pass pickets on this occasion. In fact I may just go out of my way to do so. Might even get an 'inflammatory' T-shirt printed. :)
 
Do you mean colleagues or the general public?

Personally, I would be delighted to pass pickets on this occasion. In fact I may just go out of my way to do so. Might even get an 'inflammatory' T-shirt printed. :)

I mean colleagues. Fair play to you but I can understand why some people would be reluctant to cross one. Especially younger members of staff.
Also I presume they don't get paid for the day if they go on strike?
 
I mean colleagues. Fair play to you but I can understand why some people would be reluctant to cross one. Especially younger members of staff.
Also I presume they don't get paid for the day if they go on strike?

As far as I know you don't get paid for the day if you strike but you also don't get paid if you take an annual leave day.
We were informed this when the CPSU strike was on last month. Because we were in a different union, it was ok to come into work and pass the picket but if people felt uncomfortable about that and took a day's leave, they would not be paid.
 
Fair play to you but I can understand why some people would be reluctant to cross one. Especially younger members of staff.

Just to be clear - the proposed strike will not affect my workplace. I meant I was intending on calling into strike affected public offices and stirring it a bit!

Strikers won't be paid. Someone else was saying that strikers will only get an allowance from the union if the strike is 'protracted' - more than 3 days maybe? This allowance is I think about €150 pw.
 
If Impact press ahead and go ahead and strike I imagine there would be a lot of anger among people that voted No.

I agree so I am willing to bet that the Union will take the cowardly approach and while not officially calling for strike action, will strongly encourage people to strike. Could be quiet divisive for them if they are not careful.
 
I agree so I am willing to bet that the Union will take the cowardly approach and while not officially calling for strike action, will strongly encourage people to strike. Could be quiet divisive for them if they are not careful.

There was a guy from ICTU on the 6 o clock news last night basically making that point; that if all other unions strike it would be expected of Impact members to also strike. It would make a mockery of the ballot and would reflect negatively on Impact.
 
As far as I know you don't get paid for the day if you strike

You should never get paid when you are not available for work as a result of industrial action.


you also don't get paid if you take an annual leave day.
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This is only true if you are a member of the union involved. If you are a non union member or a member of another union who is not in dispute the employer has no authority to deduct wages. If you are a member of the union and have next monday booked off for example your wages will be/should be deducted unless the union inform the employer otherwise.
 
You should never get paid when you are not available for work as a result of industrial action.


you also don't get paid if you take an annual leave day.
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This is only true if you are a member of the union involved. If you are a non union member or a member of another union who is not in dispute the employer has no authority to deduct wages. If you are a member of the union and have next monday booked off for example your wages will be/should be deducted unless the union inform the employer otherwise.

Last month the CPSU members in our department went on strike and we were informed by our personnel division if we took a day's leave we would not be paid even though we were not in that union. There was some discussion afterwards that they had no authority to do this but I don't know what the outcome was.

I obviously aggree that if you do not work because you are in dispute with your employer, you should not be paid
 
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