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How you can dismiss the specific experience of senior people is beyond me.
So "three senior people" told you some anecdotes at dinner and you now have "evidence" to make a sweeping generalization about the whole health Service ? Can I ask when was the last time "three senior people" told you some anecdotes about how they themselves weren't up to, or weren't really motivated enough to, do their own jobs properly ? I guess never.
It is very easy to tell anecdotes to disparage others to both elevate one's own importance and to indulge and flatter the prejudice of others. It usually says more about the competence, confidence and motivation of the teller.
If these were "three senior people" - competent senior people - I would have been much more impressed if they had outlined an analysis of the organizational , structural and managerial issues underlying health service dysfunction and proposals to address same. If they weren't senior enough for this, perhaps they might have outlined real tangible change they were able to achieve in their own area of responsibility (rather than pub bore anecdotes).
But perhaps, Gordon's anecdote does illustrate one real problem in the health service (or any dysfunctional organization) - one group casting stones at another, particularly when they are insecure about how they are performing in their own roles.