Neighbours alarm going off since 5pm yesterday...

Complainer said:
Standards are not generally legally binding - unless there is specific enabling legislation.
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The standards for an alarm installed to the EN50131 are. It is against the standards to have an external plus internal bell ringing for more than 15 minutes.
 
Complainer said:
Under what legislation?
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The regulatory body are the Private Security Authority. In order to obtain a PSA licence you need to show you install alarms to the EN50131 standard. There is [broken link removed] coming in in the autumn which will have effect on all alarms installed weather they are up to the EN50131 standard or not.
 
alt1 said:
The regulatory body are the Private Security Authority. In order to obtain a PSA licence you need to show you install alarms to the EN50131 standard. There is [broken link removed] coming in in the autumn which will have effect on all alarms installed weather they are up to the EN50131 standard or not.
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So the PSA licence applies to new alarms, but isn't retrospective. It doesn't apply to alarms currently installed.

So it is not illegal for an alarm to run for more than 30 minutes. It may be illegal for an installer to install such an alarm, but that's a big difference.
 
Complainer said:
So the PSA licence applies to new alarms, but isn't retrospective. It doesn't apply to alarms currently installed.

So it is not illegal for an alarm to run for more than 30 minutes. It may be illegal for an installer to install such an alarm, but that's a big difference.
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Without the PSA licence you are breaking the law if you employ someone to install an alarm. The PSA are the regulatory body for the security industry, it is there job to in force plus prosecute anyone providing this service without a licence. There are NSAI, EQA and so on who look after enforcing the standards for new alarms.

With an alarm system installed to the EN50131 standard, it is not up to standard if it rings for more than the 15 minutes allowed. If the alarm was installed before the EN50131 standard came into force then it can ring as long as you want it to but as i said with the new legislation coming in in the autumn all alarm system will have to conform to the 15 minute cut out time.
 
The PSA legislation just covers the licencing of professionals involved in installing alarm systems, and yes, it is illegal to employ a non-registered contractor to install an alarm. This legislation states that to become registered, a contractor must have 'attained' the EN50131 standard.

But once licensed, that's it as far as this piece of legislation is concerned. It does not state alarms must be fitted to this standard. It doesn't apply to the specification or fitting of alarms at all. To suggest it does is very misleading. EN50131 is a European standard, not a piece of legislation.

I searched through the statute book in an attempt to find anything relevant, but couldn't.

Ringing alarms are a real nuisance, but the idea of a noise pollution bill has been tossed about for years, just because Ciaran Cuffe says it'll be so doesn't mean it'll make it this time.
 
Leo said:
The PSA legislation just covers the licencing of professionals involved in installing alarm systems, and yes, it is illegal to employ a non-registered contractor to install an alarm. This legislation states that to become registered, a contractor must have 'attained' the EN50131 standard.

But once licensed, that's it as far as this piece of legislation is concerned. It does not state alarms must be fitted to this standard. It doesn't apply to the specification or fitting of alarms at all. To suggest it does is very misleading. EN50131 is a European standard, not a piece of legislation.
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It is not misleading at all.
In order to keep your licence you still need to install all alarm systems to the EN50131 standard. If you dont whoever certifies you will revoke your licence. Then the PSA will follow suit. Its all to do with the S.R.40.

From what you said you get the licence then you can do as you will. This is incorrect.
 
A neighbour's house alarm has been going since 5pm yesterday right through the night. It stops for about 2 secs every 20 mins after which it starts again so it's basically continuous

What is the time period which must elapse before a house alarm can start again or is is supposed to be reset before it's considered a different 20 min period.
 
truthseeker said:
Its so annoying!!

The Gardai will do nothing.


I love the way people suggest that the Guards will do nothing. They have no powers here. It's up to the individual to take action and do so through the courts in relation to noise pollution. I love how people will give out that no one will do anything when they won't take action themselves.
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Taking action though the courts is a bit pointless in this situation. How many sleepless nights will have to be endured before a case even gets heard. I have 2 young kids, both of whom woke up last night thanks to this alarm. A quick fix solution is required.
 
DB74 said:
A neighbour's house alarm has been going since 5pm yesterday right through the night. It stops for about 2 secs every 20 mins after which it starts again so it's basically continuous

What is the time period which must elapse before a house alarm can start again or is is supposed to be reset before it's considered a different 20 min period.
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All you can do is complain to the owner. New alarms have a max cut off time of 15 minutes. Some old alarms can have the external bell time changed in the programming to knock them off so get your neighbour to get this done.
 
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