Paul O Mahoney
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Such arrogance should be washed down with a 1988 Pomerol after riding with the hounds hunt down a...Whilst I am enjoying the discussion we are having (as I sit next to my nice stove with a Lomza Export beer) and it's great there is a facility to have these conversations I am surprised and sad (naïve too) to discover that people in Ireland feel that their otherwise good neighbor should be "shunned".
I know not personally directed at me however I can't let this one go. I work in a job where on occasions 2 people are required to look out and support the other. I take my colleagues lives very seriously and ensure all best practice are followed.
Apparently it's not for those who are fit and can't remember what they post both hypocritically and lies.What's the big deal about getting vaccinated?
I was really addressing my question to @waterman.Apparently it's not for those who are fit and can't remember what they post both hypocritically and lies.
The majority have shown its not a big deal
You're just making stuff up now. You suggested the Government should have sent a message around last week's events be insisting on certs for entry, that would have been messaging against the legislation.Leo so only if its written in law that no sporting organisation can decide that Covid19 certs are required to enter their stadiums?
Lots of things people do on a daily basis have the potential to profoundly affect the lives of those around them. Every time you drive a car, you have the potential to kill if you don't take appropriate care and precautions.I know not personally directed at me however I can't let this one go. I work in a job where on occasions 2 people are required to look out and support the other. I take my colleagues lives very seriously and ensure all best practice are followed.
I can choose to remain slightly drunk all day but if I do then that means I cannot drive a car.Lots of things people do on a daily basis have the potential to profoundly affect the lives of those around them. Every time you drive a car, you have the potential to kill if you don't take appropriate care and precautions.
An otherwise good neighbour who falls asleep at the wheel, drives too fast, or momentarily looses concentration can end up injuring or even killing you or someone you care about. It's a low risk, but a risk none the less. Making a selfish choice not to get vaccinated carries a similarly low risk of an undesirable outcome. So while I don't feel those who choose not to get vaccinated should be pilloried, I don't think we can call them good neighbours either.
Using emotive language like apartheid and authoritarianism does little to further an argument. Are you really suggesting that not allowing an unvaccinated person access to a small number of commercial operations temporarily is really the same thing as ~50 years of brutal racist oppression?Though fully vaccinated, I'm opposed to vaccination apartheid. It's not really a free society if the unwashed are to be effectively excluded for declining an emergency-use vaccine. I don't like the creep of authoritarianism.
Are you suggesting that just offering vaccines is enough to counter Covid? If they're overreaching why are our case numbers so high right now?Now that everyone has been offered a vaccine it time they ease up on the edicts lest the Government overreach.
In some other EU countries the unvaccinated are locked down, or can be fired by their employers at will...Though fully vaccinated, I'm opposed to vaccination apartheid. It's not really a free society if the unwashed are to be effectively excluded for declining an emergency-use vaccine. I don't like the creep of authoritarianism. The use of statutory instruments by the relevant ministers is a tad too gung-ho. Now that everyone has been offered a vaccine it time they ease up on the edicts lest the Government overreach.
Hardly. Clearly I said 'vaccine apartheid', segregation based on vaccine status. No need to fear emotive language or worry about controlling mine.Are you really suggesting that not allowing an unvaccinated person access to a small number of commercial operations temporarily is really the same thing as ~50 years of brutal racist oppression?
Nope. Far from being a panacea, it seems that at least the vaccines have weakened the link between cases and hospitalisation & death (although their efficacy seems to fall off at an alarming rate). Now that the hysteria around any talk of therapeutics has subsided hopefully they will ensure that hospitals don't fill up, and we can just get on with it.Are you suggesting that just offering vaccines is enough to counter Covid?
I'm sure I don't agree with fire at will. And to withhold welfare from the unvaccinated would be an aggressive form of vaccine (dare I say it?) apartheid.I'm not sure if I agree with 'fire at will' or lockdown... but I think PUP payments should not be given to the unvaccinated.
And Pfizer, for example, is not an emergency use vaccine in the EU or US, it has received full approval.
Why not say discrimination? The term apartheid, derived from Afrikaans, was devised to describe the system in South Africa. It's not a catch-all term to be applied to every minor case where discrimination of any nature is being discussed. You will find it is generally only used when someone is trying to blow a situation out of all proportion.Hardly. Clearly I said 'vaccine apartheid', segregation based on vaccine status. No need to fear emotive language or worry about controlling mine.
Then why is our hospital capacity in danger of being overwhelmed with the unvaccinated?With 90% vaccinated it will make no meaningful difference to exclude others based on that metric.
Yep, they are all still under EMA 'Conditional marketing Authorisation'.Not in Europe it hasn't. It is still operating under conditional marketing authorisation which has to renewed annually as far as I know. Unless I missed it.
mea cupla, got confused, yes it's only in US that it has full approval.Not in Europe it hasn't. It is still operating under conditional marketing authorisation which has to renewed annually as far as I know. Unless I missed it.
I didn't hear any scientist saying that they'd be a panacea. What we do know is that in this country unvaccinated people are more than 9 times more likely to end up in hospital if they get Covid.Far from being a panacea, it seems that at least the vaccines have weakened the link between cases and hospitalisation & death. Now that the hysteria around any talk of therapeutics has subsided hopefully they will ensure that hospitals don't fill up, and we can just get on with it. With 90% vaccinated it will make no meaningful difference to exclude others based on that metric.
Because stupid people deserve healthcare too.Then why is our hospital capacity in danger of being overwhelmed with the unvaccinated?
I could have. I wanted to use a word with only negative connotations. 'Discrimination' is on the fence; we discriminate all the time.Why not say discrimination?
When will I find that attempts to control others language is used?You will find it is generally only used when someone is trying to blow a situation out of all proportion.
Not doubt a multitude of reasons. Capacity, starting from a low base anyway, hasn't been ramped up much over the last 20 months. The health system has long been ailing . . bed-blockers, 100's on trolleys, interminable waiting lists, two-tier care. The unvaccinated are just part of the mix, plenty of smokers and obese taking up beds. The popular fixation with the unvaccinated is overzealous.Then why is our hospital capacity in danger of being overwhelmed with the unvaccinated?
The unvaccinated are the most tractable in all that mix, the ones that fixation \ peer pressure \ media pressure \ government nudges can have the most impact on.Not doubt a multitude of reasons. Capacity, starting from a low base anyway, hasn't been ramped up much over the last 20 months. The health system has long been ailing . . bed-blockers, 100's on trolleys, interminable waiting lists, two-tier care. The unvaccinated are just part of the mix, plenty of smokers and obese taking up beds. The popular fixation with the unvaccinated is overzealous.
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