That's actually pretty low by European standards. Aggregate (employer + employee) social insurance contributions in various countries as a percentage of earnings:As already stated our social system/State takes a high % if you look at total payroll in any employment you will see close to one sixth of payroll goes to the state in prsi over the 20 years of Even Stevens employment,,
Well, if there was to be no state pension then you wouldn't need to replace the contributions in full. Most people who currently get the state contributory pension would qualify for a full or partial non-contributory pension, but that would be a lesser amount, and of course some wouldn't qualify for any non-contributory pension at all. So overall public spending on providing retirement income would fall quite a bit, and the contributions would only have to be partly replaced by other tax increases.If there was to be no state pension most of the above contributions would need to fall away and be replaced by high taxation,
(most of the extra taxation will be paid by the very people calling for the state pension to be done away with,
I'm well aware of the facility and when it was announced I was quite excited about it, right up to the point where I looked at the details. It's not only expensive as you say but only available by way of lump sum purchase rather than (like the older schemes) salary deduction. So unless you have a large lump sum hanging around which you can use to purchase what is effectively an index linked lifetime annuity from age 66, then that option isn't open to you.@BIG-notorious There is a purchase and transfer option to "buy back" referable amounts on the single pension scheme. It's expensive but the option is there.
TFLS is max of 1.5 x final salary, and the 50% of final salary is based on working until 66. Retiring at 60 as I plan to do I would (even if I somehow maxed out my Single Scheme entitlement to 50% of my final salary which I'm not sure is even possible) result in a 20% drop in my SPSPS pension AND a reduction of around €16k as I wouldn't have access to the supplementary pension or COAP for another 6 years. That'd cut my income from around €80k a year to just over €19k a year during the earliest and what are likely to be my healthiest and most active years of retirement.You could use an AVC fund to build your SPS benefits up to about half final salary (ok, this would include the state pension) and get the full Revenue allowed (?200k) tax free lump sum too.
Inclined to agree on this one but think upping the contribution rates significantly is the way to go. But I'm one of the few people who believes that they personally should be paying more tax.Giving self employed people an inflation linked pension for life in exchange for 4% of their salary is bonkers. It will have to go.
Yes & no. A hard cutoff brings its own problems as people will moan about it being either too high or too low. I think it's more politically reasonable to leave it to the general taxation system to claw back 50% of it. Also, very wealthy people (say top 5%?) will be by definition always be the small minority of recipients and paying half of it back to the exchequer and therefore cutting or reducing their entitlement to the COAP will have a small impact.Giving very wealthy people the COAP when they don't need it will have to go.
The time to address these issues was 10 years ago but successive governments made the conscious & deliberate decisions to prioritise tax cutting ahead of either building up a significant strategic reserve or investing in infrastructure. Current strategic reserve is what, €12 billion? Compared to €35 billion before the 2008 crash, so maybe 20% of what it was 17 years ago after accounting for inflation. So if the decade long taxes bonanza returns to normal then we'll be in a far worse position than we were before due to the already wasted decade.The time to address these issues is now, when we have some financial headroom, not when the international lenders again refuse to give us any more credit.
They probably will bale us out again. QE is a big bazooka in the hands of the ECB which can be deployed again if needs be to ease borrowing rates for the State and businesses. Also having one of your member states collapse under financial pressure isn't going to be a better look for the EU in 2028 than it was in 2008....The country went bust during the financial crisis and had to be baled out. They probably won't bale us out again.
Shhh. Either whine and moan that we're getting taxed too heavily or just keep your head down and be silent on the subject. You'll get no thanks here for providing evidence or numbers which contradict people's firmly held views that they're living in some kind of communist hellhole....That's actually pretty low by European standards. Aggregate (employer + employee) social insurance contributions in various countries as a percentage of earnings:
UK: 23.8%
Finland: 31.4%
Spain: 37.1%
Germany: 38.4%
Italy: 40%
France: 68%
Exactly and that's the key point, how can the state continue to deduct prsi which is a social insurance deducted to pay for supposedly free health , and state pension . If you have worked all your life and made contributions they have to provide some benefit. They can allow it to fall in real value by not increasing it so much or increasing the age of starting pension like other countries but politically they do not want to do that. There is no way people would accept prsi deductions with no benefits at the end of it, sure we don't even have free health at point of contact like UK has for our prsi deductionagree,
Some people underestimate how clued in people are to the amount of PRSI taken from payroll each week they don't mind paying in once the know a state pension will be payed out at retirement age,
Prsi deductions with no benefits already exist in this country.There is no way people would accept prsi deductions with no benefits at the end of it,
I would say more than likely is was the Troika ,This was brought in by Michael Noonan.
They probably will bale us out again. QE is a big bazooka in the hands of the ECB which can be deployed again if needs be to ease borrowing rates for the State and businesses. Also having one of your member states collapse under financial pressure isn't going to be a better look for the EU in 2028 than it was in 2008....
Not sure that anybody ever gets the full PS pension benefits AND the full OACP though?I know with the Single pension scheme you get your occupational pension and can claim for OAP
You have to avoid being over funded at retirement.I would have assumed that this would just boost your retirement income (ie you would receive your public service pension plus income from AVCs).
Meaning?You have to avoid being over funded at retirement.
I know with the Single pension scheme you get your occupational pension and can claim for OAP
But I think PS workers can also use AVCs to fund a TFLS up to 200k as per Revenue rules? That's one of the reasons, some don't consider, why making AVCs is still a good idea even when a PS worker, paying income tax at 40%, is going to retire on "full service" or close to it.TFLS is max of 1.5 x final salary
The maximum TFLS is calculated using any of these 3 final remuneration amounts multiplied by 1.5.But I think PS workers can also use AVCs to fund a TFLS up to 200k as per Revenue rules?
Thanks for this @S class. However I suspect the vast majority of PS workers are paid a salary only and don't get any "emoluments" (commission, bonuses, benefit-in-kind, etc.), as part of their pay. Well that's how it is in my case anyway so I'm stuck with a TFLS of 1.5 times Final Salary.The maximum TFLS is calculated using any of these 3 final remuneration amounts multiplied by 1.5.
The method which gives the highest amount will be used.
FYI - how to quote properly:Not sure that anybody ever gets the full PS pension benefits AND the full OACP though?
Isn't it normally the full PS pension only (e.g 40 years service) or part of it and part of the OACP?
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