Paul O Mahoney
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Facts are very rarely classified as Semantics.Arguing over Semantics won't move us up the table unfortunately.
Happy wife, happy life...The missus is in that brigade now so I must be a little reticent round these here parts
If we agree deaths aren't semantics, then we did a lot better than those you are putting ahead of us. When you consider our health service generally was grossly inefficient with poorer outcomes for more investment than many of those countries prior to the pandemic, it might have been expected we would fare much worse.Arguing over Semantics won't move us up the table unfortunately.
Yes, considering how badly organise and wasteful our health service is I think we did well.If we agree deaths aren't semantics, then we did a lot better than those you are putting ahead of us. When you consider our health service generally was grossly inefficient with poorer outcomes for more investment than many of those countries prior to the pandemic, it might have been expected we would fare much worse.
Take a cursory look at the weekly data in the link I provided .......waiting for you to come back and say we're not at the bottom, we're 3rd or 4th from the bottom . Ok.What metrics exactly are you referring to that puts us at the bottom of the EU league?
The main table in the link you provided details numbers of deaths. I presume they list that first as they consider it the most important statistic. On that measure, we are no where near the bottom as you suggest.Take a cursory look at the weekly data in the link I provided .......waiting for you to come back and say we're not at the bottom, we're 3rd or 4th from the bottom . Ok.
Again on what metric? The table is Alphabetical as are all the others. So again by what metric are you using . Is it deaths , cases, 14 day incidence?Take a cursory look at the weekly data in the link I provided .......waiting for you to come back and say we're not at the bottom, we're 3rd or 4th from the bottom . Ok.
And we only updated the missing data in the past week and I doubt they are accurate as one figure for us is 5000 another 5006.The main table in the link you provided details numbers of deaths. I presume they list that first as they consider it the most important statistic. On that measure, we are no where near the bottom as you suggest.
Hold on, are you judging performance over the course of the 15 or so months of the pandemic just on the current 14 day running average numbers? That makes no sense whatsoever. That's the same as declaring Crystal Palace premiership champions after a run of two good results.
I agree but some have a narrative that must be followed and then issue data without any interpretation.Why are we comparing ourselves to other countries!
The real question to ask is did we have excess deaths in our nursing homes and did we have prior knowledge from other countries that the elderly were most at risk of dying from this disease.?
Error 1967Why are we comparing ourselves to other countries!
The real question to ask is did we have excess deaths in our nursing homes and did we have prior knowledge from other countries that the elderly were most at risk of dying from this disease.?
My personal " hope" is that we learn from this and begin to recognise that the system we have now is broken, and that's not just from a governmental side but from a societal side too.It doesn't seem extraordinary to me. I'm very angry with them. For so many reasons, as Purple said because they're only looking at the short term impact of all this and only how it relates to covid, because I work in mental health and see what the impact of this is, because when compared to the approach taken by governments across the world so many aspects of governance here are inexplicable...because for some the last 16 months has mainly been a lovely, cosy family time albeit with some inconveniences while for others, particularly those who are living alone, working from home and isolated it has been pure hell. Because of the lack of empathy and understanding of all this. Honestly I find it hard to understand why more people aren't angry. Going to leave it there though as pretty soon I'll be in a debate about all of the above and then be even angrier....
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