Why are Irish government voting against the ban on fox hunting?

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Very upset and annoyed with the recent vote of the Irish Government not to support the ban on fox hunting.

Why in this day and age, would they not go along with what the general public appear to want, which has regularly been quoted recently, at between 70% to 80%.

In light of the fact that it appeared to be one of main things that people were referring to in Heather Humphrey's campaign, where even though she claimed to be an animal lover, she still supported 'rural pursuits', and mentioned fox hunting in that.

The Irish Government are so behind the times on this, as even the U.K. banned it over 20 years ago.

Here's hoping that it comes back to bite them at the next General Election.
 
Foxhunting is an outdoor pursuit for many people. Try and get it outlawed and you risk the wrath of many. Most country politicians won't get involved in curtailing the pursuit because political support comes from many people who support all things rural including fox hunting. I reckon if foxhunting needs to be stopped, it must come from within the rural community. Trying to force them into change could be seen as a wrongful intersession of their inherited customs.

We still have coursing although in a much different way than it used to be. There were many vitriolic protests back in the day from people who wanted coursing banned. It hasn't been banned, but the past-time has been changed in many ways.

I reckon coursing will eventually die out and so will fox hunting, but it ain't going to happen anytime soon. You are entitled to protest and seek support Dáil Deputies etc. But, be aware that anglers etc are happy enough to let coursing and fox-hunting take the hit, because they know they may be next.

I can argue either way, but when the money stops so will the pursuits.
 
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Why in this day and age, would they not go along with what the general public appear to want, which has regularly been quoted recently, at between 70% to 80%.

Bloodsports are sadism wrapped up in tradition. Whether it's fox hunting, badger baiting, coursing, it's always some poor animal being chased, frightened, exhausted, injured, killed. If you've witnessed in real life it is brutal stuff.

I see Healy-Rae and others trotting out the "pest control" excuse which has long been shown to be false and in fact can increase fox populations!!

These activities are just a form of sick entertainment and the fact that it has been going on for generations doesn't justify it. There are many other rural pursuits that are positive for the community and should be supported. Those of us who have lived in the country know that most rural people would support a bloodsports ban.
 
These activities are just a form of sick entertainment and the fact that it has been going on for generations doesn't justify it.

One would have to worry about the mindset of these people who get 'sick entertainment' from fox hunting, badger baiting or coursing.

Our Government also needs to get their act together and support the many smaller rescues much more around the country who are clearing up the mess from Ireland The Puppy Capital of Europe. Our NSPCA opening 9-5 Mon to Fri is just not good enough when these smaller rescues are up and running 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and 365 days per year.

Granting millions of our money to the dying greyhound industry each year despite the majority of the general public not in favour of it is just not good enough any longer either. Year after year they are told this but still go ahead.
 
Ireland The Puppy Capital of Europe.
Only the puppy capital as there is a demand. Insane policies towards promoting dogs in recent years that is driving demand. Dogs in schools, rights to have dogs in rented property, dogs in pubs and restuarants, little respect for laws re dogs on leads in parks, uncontrolled dogs in cars whole driving, no prosecution of owners even when a fatality from attacks on children. List is endless. I like dogs btw but they are an animal.
 
I like dogs btw but they are an animal

They are sentient beings who deserve the same respect that the rest of us receive and certainly not to be used as a money machine like so many backstreet breeders are doing these days in Ireland and getting away with it because our laws are not enforced.

Dogs in schools, rights to have dogs in rented property, dogs in pubs and restaurants,

Absolutely nothing wrong with these rules in light of the companionship that they bring to people. Considering the mad vet fees that people are tolerating these days from the 'corporate' vets it just goes to prove that they obviously value their dogs. Many an older person has told me in the past that their best friend is their dog and they would be very lonely without them. I used to do home checks for dog adoptions and it was lovely to see these relationships in action.
 
Absolutely nothing wrong with these rules in light of the companionship that they bring to people.
A school is no place for a dog. Nor is a restaurant. ( dogs for the visually impaired excepted obviously ) Anyway, my point is that these are part of the reasons why we are the puppy capital so you need accept that as a consequence of this trend of treating dogs as humans.
 
If you've witnessed in real life it is brutal stuff.
Unfortunately, I have had the misfortune to witness this. On a friend's land a few years back, when a pack of hounds caught up with a fox and it was horrific. The fox screaming as they tore it apart. Ripped legs away from the body, ripped it's head off - just tore it to pieces.
I've never witnessed something so horrific and I will never, ever forget that. What was almost worse was the half dozen or so ignorants who delighted in the scene.
 
A school is no place for a dog.

A school is a great place for a dog to teach children how to interact with them and many a child who has been used to seeing dogs treated badly learn how they should actually be handled and cared for.

Nor is a restaurant.

Plenty of restaurants allowing dogs these days and no problems generally. A well trained dog should not cause any problems unlike lots of untrained children who are allowed to play chasing and such like while their parents turn a blind eye. This happens particularly in pubs in the afternoons.

Anyway, my point is that these are part of the reasons why we are the puppy capital so you need accept that as a consequence of this trend of treating dogs as humans.

These reasons have absolutely nothing to do with Ireland being the puppy capital of Europe. Lots of European cities have these allowances of entry to dogs and they do not breed dogs in the manner that it is done here. Too much money (possibly €187M) to be made in an unrestricted manner is what is causing that.

This investigation is also frightening when one thinks of how the animals are treated and how much money is being made.
 
And I would imagine that most Marsupials would be more concerned about animal welfare.

We're classed as vermin so, just like foxes, everyone is entitled to take potshots at us. (Happily, we breed like rabbits so will always have the last laugh!)

Addendum: the above was posted before I had reached post #7!
 
Mary Lou McDonald says Sinn Féin's support of fox hunting is the right choice

“This is an issue that’s come to several Ard Fheisanna. It’s been very passionately debated and it’s been voted on. And on each occasion, the balance of consideration of the Ard Fheis has fallen on the side of tight regulation rather than an outright ban.

“And I think on balance, and I’ve listened to both sides of the arguments really carefully, the Ard Fheis probably got it right.”

Modern fox hunting was imported from Britain and was the preserve of the Anglo-Irish ascendancy until recently. Toffs want to protect their hobby so they have harp-washed it as some sacred countryside tradition. The absolute irony of SF defending it.
 
As a 32 county organisation, I would venture to suggest that SF would be well aware of the overall national view of foxhunting, hence the party's decision not to attack rural pursuits. Furthermore, if banning it was seen as a potential vote winner, then I'm in no doubt that Ireland's No. 1 populist party would have backed Coppinger's stunt.

I can't help wondering why Ms. Coppinger didn't opt to seek to legislate against sulky racing, a far more commonplace and repulsive "recreation".
 
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The Indo has inexplicably regurgitated this advertorial:

‘It’s part of our culture’ – St Stephen’s Day Hunt attracts large crowds despite recent attempt to ban the sport

For anyone who can't get past the paywall, here it is paraphrased...



‘It’s part of our culture’: Boxing Day Kitten Throw attracts large crowds despite recent attempt to ban the innocent hobby

Hundreds of completely normal spectators line the street as the procession moves off into the surrounding countryside for the traditional fixture, which continues to attract strong local support. The cat tossing event will involve "a couple of designated catapulting zones", where live kittens are ceremonially and very humanely hurled into nearby hedgerows, with the permission of local landowners.

Just last week, a Bill aimed at banning entertaining animal sacrifices like this was soundly defeated, although one spectator remarked: "They’ll try it again, the heartless bullies, no doubt about that".

For Mr Rex Barker (who is definitely a human man and not a dog), chair of the Foxrock Feline Flinging Festival, the occasion is about far more than the act of cat squishing itself. Standing up on two legs alongside his children, Bella (6) and Rufus (4), he describes a sophisticated tradition passed down through generations:

"My father threw kittens before me, my grandfather threw kittens, my grandmother too. It’s an inheritance shared by many of us here today and one of the few that the government can't tax us on," he growls.

"It’s important that it wasn’t banned because Ireland is a nation of kitten people. We’re known for it throughout the world. Maybe the Huns and the Gestapo have as much of a reputation for kitten-based spectacles as the Irish do. It’s part of our culture. It's absolutely not a form of Stockholm syndrome resulting from our colonial past. Please don't include that in the article.”

Chief thrower, Mrs Catherine Klobberer, is in charge of coordinating the newborn cats.

"We take incredible care of those kittens before we terminate them for fun," she says, gesturing towards a trembling cardboard box.

"People come from miles around to cheer us on. And you’ll see that as we go through town, the goodwill and support the Kitten Throw has. If a vocal minority of rural people approve then it must be fine and nosy townies should just ignore the shrieks of the defenceless animals. We’re incredibly privileged, as are the kittens. I mean we are doing them a favour really as otherwise they would have to spend their lives in Dublin, or worse, Cork City."

The Stop Slaying Sentient Species for Sport Bill 2025, proposed by woke TD and professional party pooper Rita Catlover, would have prohibited the throwing of live animals for the craic cultural reasons.

Deputy Catlover inexplicably described kitten slinging as cruel and inhumane, while Minister for Agriculture Peter Placeholder said the practice operates under clear codes of conduct, licensing rules, and welfare standards. "Also I will have a nervous breakdown if I get one more voicemail from that TD in Tipperary," he added, sobbing gently.

Locals note opposition mainly comes from urban areas. "The saintly people who live here, who see it every year, they support it," Barker says, foaming at the mouth only very slightly. "They understand that kittens are pests. It is a noble pursuit."
 
Bloodsports are sadism wrapped up in tradition. Whether it's fox hunting, badger baiting, coursing, it's always some poor animal being chased, frightened, exhausted, injured, killed. If you've witnessed in real life it is brutal stuff.
I presume you include angling in that. I'm not sure what else you'd call having a large hook placed through your face so that you can be slowly and painfully dragged out of the environment in which you can breathe and then suffocated or have your head smashed on with a rock. If fish could scream it would have been banned years ago.
 
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