Where are the IT jobs?

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I keep hearing about the thousands of vacancies in IT - so where are they?!

My last contract ended just before Christmas, took a few weeks off and now am hitting the agencies etc.

They are all saying that things are very "quiet" - talk about understatement.....

So where would a talented (such as myself) QA/BA/PM with software, telco, banking, eLearning and innovative R&D experience find just one job?

Anyone have any ideas?
 
There are very few IT jobs with lots of people looking for them.

If you see an IT job advertised on Irishjobs/monster etc the chances are that the agency will get a lot of applications within a couple of minutes.

Your best way of getting a job is to start connecting with all the people you worked with and let them know that you are available and looking for work. Some jobs will come up but most won't be filled through an agency. Why fill a job through an agency if you are working in a company that knows loads of good people out of work.

If want contract work then you need to get out there and start networking with companies. A lot of contractors have been let go and a lot of projects are on hold. You want these companies to have your business card when this contract comes up. Why would they go to agencies and pay 10 to 20% above the going rate when they have your business card.

Finally, don't expect to get a job in a couple of weeks, the above process will take a few months unless you are lucky. In the short term go through all your expenses and see how you can trim back, you will need your money to last as long as possible.

Good luck!
 
You probably keep hearing it on those adverts for IT training or something. Their claims are quite outdated in the current climate
 
Thanks for the reply doberden. It sort of confirms what I already know...
I have about 2-3 months before I have to start dipping into savings. That'll last another 3 months or so.
I hope it won't take that long. I've already rented out rooms in the house.

I even bought loads of seeds yesterday for my vegetable garden:)
 
Some one should tell students and the [broken link removed]t what its really like.

"Ireland has been facing a growing shortage of graduates in technical disciplines, even though computer scientists, electronic engineers, and IT professionals have excellent career options."
 
Some one should tell students and the [broken link removed]t what its really like.

"Ireland has been facing a growing shortage of graduates in technical disciplines, even though computer scientists, electronic engineers, and IT professionals have excellent career options."

You should read the law section from the edition that was in. They quoted the Law Society as working hard to persuade firms to take on trainees! Of course a law firm is going to be taking business advice from their regulatory body and do their civic duty by providing traineeships....
 
The Irish Software Association are always saying there are thousands of posts available.

The truth is work is very thin on the ground at present. I am seeing IT Architects with 15-20 years experience unemployed at present.

In four years time things may be very different so I think it is right for people to start studying IT now, though it is a very tough business at times.

It is pointless saying whether someone should do a university course taking a number of years based on the current job situation.

I was full-time when the last big IT recession hit, but I'm contracting now so might be taking a "sabbatical" soon as well.
 
These 1000s of unfilled jobs never really existed.

What did exist was companies who wanted senior developers with 10+ years experience in new technologies to work for 20k.

And call centre jobs. There was lots of those.
 
I keep hearing about the thousands of vacancies in IT - so where are they?!

I'd like to know too. Mr Bubbly got laid off his last contract just before Christmas and it's only this week that a couple (literally) of roles have been put forward by the agencies. He's a BA/PM too. He's been working almost full time at just finding contracts he can apply for, keeping in touch with the agents and touching base with ex collegues, some of whom are in the same boat.

He's hopeful though, these bank mergers etc. will all generate work...eventually!. Stick with it. Now's the time to get that vegetable garden organised and work on all those little jobs around the house you couldn't get to...at least that's what I keep telling Mr Bubbly :D
 
Most of the time its agencies and colleges, claiming theres loads of jobs (epecially in IT) when there isn't. So always look at who is claiming this and who earns money by claiming it. Follow the money. Also a lot of companies will complain theres not enough people with experience and the right skillset. But yet they won't take on graduates, or train people up. Even experienced people need to constantly retrain, yet few places make provision for this.
 
I founded a software company about 2.5 years ago and had to set up an offshore base in order to get talented developers, BA's, Testers and PM's as there was just no-one available with good experience/ability here (those that did were all in jobs on really good salaries.. who wouldn't even think of joining a startup)

NOW....we are one of the few firms hiring and our existing guys here (hired last year as the company revenues increased, a mix of graduates and experienced guys) are getting raises, because they bit the bullet and took what was perceived as a risk in joining us. Since Christmas in particular, despite not advertising, I am getting lots of CV's from really good and experienced IT people. The worm has turned and it is no longer an employee's market.
Obviously as an employer that's great for me right now, but it is a rather sad reflection on how suddenly things have turned in the general economy and I can't say I'm happy about that. I do sympathise with the OP's predicament and I can only hope things sort themselves out for the many hundreds/thousands out there in a similar situation.

I would advise to have a long look at your CV, does it really reflect your experience and what you have achieved? Does it understate or overstate the actuality (one is as bad as the other)? Can you demonstrate to an employer that you'll do 'whatever it takes' to get a job done (within reason)?

If a CV reflects talent, hunger and willingness to improve, I'll always have a look even if I don't have a pressing need for a particular position, because having those three attributes mean the candidate will add value to a company. For a company that is not on a growth path and nervous about hiring, but has to for operation reasons, such attributes in a candidate are even more important...so make sure your CV screams these things, but be prepared to back them up in an interview
 
But yet they won't take on graduates, or train people up. Even experienced people need to constantly retrain, yet few places make provision for this.

That's one of the reasons I started contracting (and multiple redundances 2001-2002), companies just didn't train people. At least I could decide what training I wanted and could expense it.

I think the reality of the situation is just really hitting home today.
 
I founded a software company about 2.5 years ago and had to set up an offshore base in order to get talented developers, BA's, Testers and PM's as there was just no-one available with good experience/ability here (those that did were all in jobs on really good salaries.. who wouldn't even think of joining a startup)

Classic: you complain that there was nobody with good ability/experience, and then perpetuated the problem by setting up abroad, thereby ensuring that few Irish could gain experience. Are you sure that lower wages wasn't your main reason for setting up abroad?

Why would any Irish schoolgoer bother investing his/her time in an IT course when it was so difficult to get an IT job even during the boom times, and knowing that his/her starting salary, if a job was available, would probably be less than that of a trainee Dublin Bus driver (~€32,000 according to DB ads in 2007).

And yes, I do have issues:
 
Training for training sake is not something that a company should do. But if the training makes their people more productive, and hence the company more competitive in the market, then the clever companies are able to see the value in that. I think in the last 6 months alone, each guy on my team has been on at least one significant (2-3 days) course. But they've paid it back very quickly by adding some capability that we couldn't offer as a company before they had done the releveant course.

I also interviewed a person a few months ago (for a BA job). she had decent sectoral experience and had a software development degree, so on paper, she was a good fit. In the interview, she came across well, but I was keen to see whether she would add value, by coming up with ideas around new products or new processes that would feed into our R&D activities. So I asked her to think of the department/section she worked in before and in the light of the inefficiencies she spoke about in the interview, draw out a process of how it could be done so much better. I didn't put her on the spot, I told her she could just send it in when she had time to think about it. I effectively told her that if she did this, she'd get the job.
No contact since...I believe she is still looking for a job.

The point I am trying to make is that a candidate who isn't willing to do something relatively straightforward to get a job, would hardly light up the place if she/he did get the job, so the decision was made. By her. Unfortunately due to the kinds of press releases about vacancies highlighted by the OP, the average candidate does not think that they need to try too hard to get the job, and until people with that mindset change, then they will remain looking for work rather than working. Alternatively, there are candidates that are working on contract, and when looking for permanency seek a salary which is commensurate with contracting. Such expectations need to be re-calibrated.
 
Classic: you complain that there was nobody with good ability/experience, and then perpetuated the problem by setting up abroad, thereby ensuring that few Irish could gain experience. Are you sure that lower wages wasn't your main reason for setting up abroad?

I advertised and sought graduates, to no avail. I posted roles on graduate forums and gradireland.com and sent specs to colleges. I got a total of 9 CV's. Only one was an EU citizen. And he was polish.
I made offers to three graduates but noone wanted a sensible salary (late 20's, early thirties, depending on candidate). They all felt they could do better contracting.

I have since hired two graduates, I take intra placements every year, and I provide for hiring a decent intra when they actually graduate. I am sponsoring last year's intra student's final year project.

So lose the attitude
 
I founded a software company about 2.5 years ago and had to set up an offshore base in order to get talented developers, BA's, Testers and PM's as there was just no-one available with good experience/ability here (those that did were all in jobs on really good salaries.. who wouldn't even think of joining a startup)

NOW....we are one of the few firms hiring and our existing guys here (hired last year as the company revenues increased, a mix of graduates and experienced guys) are getting raises, because they bit the bullet and took what was perceived as a risk in joining us. Since Christmas in particular, despite not advertising, I am getting lots of CV's from really good and experienced IT people. The worm has turned and it is no longer an employee's market. ...

I think that story is best summed up, is the market will only pay, what the market will pay. Which is fair enough. Likewise you have to pay more for to get and keep better people. Its just economics.
 
So I asked her to think of the department/section she worked in before and in the light of the inefficiencies she spoke about in the interview, draw out a process of how it could be done so much better. I didn't put her on the spot, I told her she could just send it in when she had time to think about it. I effectively told her that if she did this, she'd get the job.

What an excellent question!! Great way to see if they can spot & solve inefficencies! We used to do "brown bag" lunches with staff and rather than just being a venting opportunity for them, we would ask them to suggest solutions....they often came up with some excellent ideas that generally worked really well.
 
...The point I am trying to make is that a candidate who isn't willing to do something relatively straightforward to get a job, would hardly light up the place if she/he did get the job, so the decision was made. By her. Unfortunately due to the kinds of press releases about vacancies highlighted by the OP, the average candidate does not think that they need to try too hard to get the job, and until people with that mindset change, then they will remain looking for work rather than working. Alternatively, there are candidates that are working on contract, and when looking for permanency seek a salary which is commensurate with contracting. Such expectations need to be re-calibrated.

I don't disagree. However I'd add that is common enough to have people waste your time, with proof of concept and demo work, when they have no intention of hiring you. So I can imagine some people would be wary of this. In contracting a months paid trial/proof of concepty is often part of the contract. That usually works out well. Of course if you've nothing else, thats a different situation.
 
I founded a software company about 2.5 years ago and had to set up an offshore base in order to get talented developers, BA's, Testers and PM's as there was just no-one available with good experience/ability here..........

NOW....we are one of the few firms hiring ........

I can't help thinking you're going to get hit by a small mountain of CV's after that post!
 
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