A lot of people are doing a “FAS scheme’ because they are forced to do it. Let’s not pretend that they are all trying to get into/ back into a full time job.These are not people "putting their feet up". These are people prepared to work , looking for opportunity, willing to learn, trying to impress, etc...in order to get sustainable employment.
These are not people "putting their feet up". These are people prepared to work , looking for opportunity, willing to learn, trying to impress, etc...in order to get sustainable employment.
We are at full employment
Curiously I cant find good figures on the sustainable employment rate from these schemes....
Until they are in real jobs they are in the category of not working.
(1) An endogeneity problem - the welfare state that is so effective at reducing poverty itself encourages people to not work
(2) a caring issue - we choose to care for many people informally at home, and the system encourages this, rather than in a formal welfare state, so therefore these households have less or no market income
(3) regarding the VLWI issue, our inactive adults tend to live with other inactive adults, so they remain VLWI. If they lived with an active adult, that person would lift them out of VLWI
Thats was my thinking at the start of this thread, until you suggested that unemployment figures could not be relied upon and that in fact if the people working in job activation schemes were included in the figures, then the rate would be a few points higher.
I took it we were at full employment, or approaching. You seemed to dismiss this at the start, suggesting the real figure to be closer to 8% or even higher (ie not full employment).
Can you define a real job?
Tens of thousands of people in this country work in a voluntary capacity, either in addition to other paid work or just in their spare capacity.
I would define a job as any monetary consideration offered and accepted between two parties in return for services or labour provided.
If you are not getting paid, its not a job, but dont make the mistake to think it isnt work.
The question in my mind is what happens when we pump money into an economy with no employment capacity to absorb it? Wage inflation, which is the main cause of price inflation, would be my first guess.Whether we are at full employment or not, we seem to be at the peak of this economic cycle and nobody seems all that bothered about the numbers in those cohorts or what is being done for their employment prospects.
I spent the weekend batch cooking and baking for the coming week as well as doing the washing and ironing. I didn't realise that meant I didn't have to go to work this week.I don't know what work versus real job has to do with this thread. Cutting your own grass or painting your house or looking after your own kids is hard work too and if you were doing it for someone else you'd expect to be paid for it. Obviously we are talking about paid employment and anything else seems like a rabbit hole.
The question in my mind is what happens when we pump money into an economy with no employment capacity to absorb it? Wage inflation, which is the main cause of price inflation, would be my first guess.
Cost of living is a result of labour costs. Everyone getting a pay rise just makes things more expensive.What seems to happen here more is that the higher wages draw in more people to Dublin, the wage rises level off, but the rents and and cost of living increases.
I don't disagree with the sentiment, suffice the language of "encourages people not to work".
I take the view, with the exception of a tiny cohort of people (typically criminal element of society - albeit they will also work at their illegal endeavours) that every abled body is prepared to work.
On multiple threads you were making the point that we are at full employment.
We are at full employment.
Obviously we are talking about paid employment
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Can you confirm, are we at full employment or not? You seem to want to be able to call it boths ways - yes, we are at full employment and, no, we are not at full employment, to suit your narrative at any given time.
Great, im happy to accept that we are talking about paid employment.
So people who get up to go to work on job 'activation' schemes, like job bridge, are not paid by their employers. Instead, the State continues to pay welfare.
I take it you consider these people unemployed, not in a real job, and part of the society wanting to put their feet up?
I dont, I consider them people actively trying to find sustainable work and not wanting to be dependent long term on welfare.
Great, im happy to accept that we are talking about paid employment.
So people who get up to go to work on job 'activation' schemes, like job bridge, are not paid by their employers. Instead, the State continues to pay welfare.
I take it you consider these people unemployed, not in a real job, and part of the society wanting to put their feet up?
I dont, I consider them people actively trying to find sustainable work and not wanting to be dependent long term on welfare.
But it is still a valid discussion if we talking about a sizable minority and not the majority. Disability allowance is abused. Social Housing is abused. Medical cards are abused. Job Seekers is abused. Single Parents is abused. Doesn't matter if it one person doing to it or 100000.
What stands out there for me is how *GNI as a percentage of GDP is declining which shows how reliant we are on a few Multinationals to carry our economy. Was the construction industry ever such a disproportionate part of the economy?Also see table 2.18 for the jobless household data.
The situation has thankfully improved, we are no longer above the EA average, but we are still above the EU average.
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