What is the going rate for a house cleaner please ?
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While I take your point, there also needs to be a balance between a happy home owner and a happy cleaner... €45 is a lot of money for 3 hours work on a regular basis. Personally, I think €15 per hour is too much tbh (although I'm very impressed with Landlord getting circa €11 per hour and think thats the cheapest I've heard of in quite a few years).
I have no idea if they are any good or not, but Hassle.com are doing a regular rate of €13.90 per hour and that no doubt includes a commission to whoever runs the website, covers the costs of credit card processing and so on. Assuming their service is reasonable, then their cleaners are getting notably less than €15 per hour.
If that is addressed to me, I never actually said that I was intending to hire a cleaner... I've just been asking about the costs and giving a view on what I thought was expensive etc.
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This is only applicable if an employment situation applies in the first instance.
And does it? What are the rules governing paying someone for a casual or one-off job, say house cleaning or filling a skip or some such? Let's suppose the person doing the work is not a self-employed tradesperson. Does the person paying for the job automatically become an employer? That would make any such casual arrangement nigh on impossible to do in a strictly legal way.
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The rules, such as they are, are contained in a substantial library of case law and are quite complex and often mutually contradictory. The application of this body of case law to each individual case is determined by the particular facts of that case. For example, a cleaner may be free to control his/her own hours on a given assignment and may be empowered to subcontract the work or elements of it to third parties without the premises owner's specific consent. An individual in such circumstances is unlikely to fit within the parameters of an employee, as employees are rarely free to come and go as they choose and can rarely if ever nominate a substitute to replace them.
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A happy cleaner will do a good job and make the home owner happy. My view on it is this, if you don't want to mop floors (I don't) and want to come into a clean sparkling house than is 45€ a lot. Especially in a country where rental costs and food costs are high. Whatever my cleaner doesn't like doing I never ask for. (we both hate cleaning windows) It's about a happy medium between the two of you. The cleaner will also have travelling time to get to your place. I pay mine the public transport costs on top of the hourly rate. But I must say it's a lot cleaper than Ireland where anything like this seems to be very costly.
Landlord is getting the cleaner for a lower rate because of the four hours. You'd be able to get that too if you have a regular cleaner with guaranteed hours. I'd say four hours is the optimum amount of hours. Two is too little.
No. There is a difference between an employer and a client.
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None of that is relevant here.
Really ?
The situation is complex and unclear.
However if a householder pays a cleaner to attend at set hours, if the householder expects the cleaner to do the work him or her self rather than allow a stranger into the house. That seems to me to indicate an employment situation.
Hardly is, you are paying for a service. If you pay a milk man to deliver milk every morning you hardly see that as an employment situation?
The milkman may call at the same time every morning but that is his decision not your instruction. You may have the same milkman calling every morning, but he could send a colleague to do the delivery without having to ask for your agreement.
I rather think your post proves my points.
Not really, milkman in my area is actually working for himself and I ask him to delivery milk each morning, he has no colleagues he takes instruction to deliver milk by 7am each day. So you really think I should be employing him?
Are their real world examples of what you are claiming?
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The opposite is also true.
I think we are miscommunication here.
My view is that a milkman is self employed. I suggest that there are two tokens of this. He controls his own hours. While he may discuss with his customers what time they would like their milk delivered it is up to him to set his own schedule taking into account the needs of all his customers. Secondly, while he may work alone, if he wished he could get someone else to do a delivery for him, he would not need to ask the customers permission.
By contrast many cleaners, work the hours set by the householder, and are expected to do the work in person. If a cleaner is supposed to come on a Saturday morning from 10 to 1 I doubt many householders would accept that they come on Wednesday at 6 without prior agreement. While different people may have different arrangements, I would think in the real world when a regular cleaner is sick on holidays whatever they could not send a replacement into the home without first getting the householders permission.