What happens to rents during a recession up? down? stay the same?

I'd be fairly pessimistic on rents holding up over the next couple of years - so what you are calling up for single rooms as €100, I'd be looking at €80 (i.e. €300 a month) and rather than €115 I'd be looking at €92 (i.e. €400 a month) when working out my calculations. (If you were lucky and waited long enough you'd get what you are looking for in the present climate, though I would expect rents to soften significantly in the coming years).

This depends on how many rooms are sharing of course, and the standard to which you are fixing things up - it could be less, but not much higher.

What is interesting is just how much shopping around tenants are doing at the moment - so many people interested in viewing a property does not translate into rentals necessarily - it has become a renters' market.

Given that there are so many rooms involved which you appear to be renting singly, and that your target market is student based, I'd be working off having rooms rented for 9 months of the year - this would assume that you'll fill some of the rooms over the summer, but that you will also have some void periods during the academic year.

The wear and tear on something which had 9 "units" with a "tragedy of the commons" effect on facilities would also be enormous - are you going to have a fridge in every room or a couple of fridges in a common area? If you have common fridges, who do you hold responsible if one breaks (for example)?

Also given the number of units you are proposing to have, taking care of the units, making sure everyone pays their rent, cleaning up after someone leaves, tidying up common areas when new people come along so that it doesn't look too bad, looking for new tenants etc. is a full time job - unless you or your partner has nothing better to do you will not find the time.

I think it is a really bad idea in the present climate - wait two years for the smoke to clear and it might begin to make sense - property prices will have dropped significantly, and you'll be in a better position to know what sustainable rents are likely to be.
 
I suppose the proopsed profit doesn't matter at all?

The "proposed profit", as you call it, is unlikely to materialise to such an extent because he is being too optimistic, as other posters have already pointed out. You also have to bare in mind that the property price is likely to continue to fall for a number of years as we are in a bear market now as far as property is concerned.

In order to survive a recession it is usually best to minimise debts as much as possible. Anyone who decides to take on such huge debts in an era that we have not seen since the Great Depression of the 1930's is either very brave or very foolish or perhaps a mixture of the two!
 
Your rental figures are a little too high in my opinion. Renting 9 rooms to 12 people is looking for trouble, people splitting up, not paying their share of the rent/bills, disputing who is liable for what etc and students are notorious for this, wear and tear will be a very high annual cost, you should subdivide your property to minimise the hassle, this may increase your investment costs and therefore your montly payments would increase but your rent roll even reduced would be able to service it. The most important thing is location. Fix your interest rate if worried about it going up and do the sums again and then also do the sums for worst case scenarious such as students have party, thrash the place and disappear and it takes 2 months to fix and then it's the summer etc and you'd have no rent for 5 months - can you handle this.
 
I agree. renting 9 rooms to 12 people is going to be an unbvelievable headache - particularly when they are students.

i wouldn't go near it with a barge pole - particularly given the current property climate.
 
He knows his costs - he has projected his income - college areas are in general less prone to fluctuations that many others, given that you have a pretty fixed demand, and fairly constant supply now.

I don't see the problem, as long as he factors in the downside as well. People are not going to stop going to college - probably be an increase with all the chancers from the boom going back and getting a proper qualification!

People make money in good times and bad - relying on the irish independent for investment advice will not get you rich in a hurry!

Rents in most of ireland are reasonable if one looks as rental cost in relation to average income - house prices are not. Expect rents to stay static, or even begin to increase as economic panic people such as yourself believe ...
In order to survive a recession it is usually best to minimise debts as much as possible. Anyone who decides to take on such huge debts in an era that we have not seen since the Great Depression of the 1930's is either very brave or very foolish or perhaps a mixture of the two

Chicken lickin' economics will not get you very far.

Some of the above posters have proven been burnt with their own bad advise in the past, so believing them now would be a mistake.

You do the maths, factor in possible downsides, effort involved, and if the numbers work for you, well then it's your own decision in the end.
 
Rents in most of ireland are reasonable if one looks as rental cost in relation to average income - house prices are not. Expect rents to stay static, or even begin to increase as economic panic people such as yourself believe ...

Why have you not said what you expect to happen to house prices? You are saying that house prices are not reasonable to average income......so this can only mean one thing...house prices will fall further, especially as the credit crunch begins to bite and makes mortgages more difficult to obtain.

Why should he invest now if he is going to loose capital when the value of his asset continues to fall?
 
I think you are missing the bit that he is buying a 9 br house in cork city centre beside the university for 300k from his uncle.

I repeat - 9 br house in cork city center for 300k.


Now I am no economist, but that looks like a pretty good deal, and perhaps well below any pesimmistic current market price that chicken lickin' economics may provide.

Hence why his numbers look so good!

OP - be sure to look after the uncle :)

A recesssion does not make all deals bad - just the bad ones....

So house prices don't really matter in this case.... (Maybe gift tax though!)
 
Thanks Folks,
So myybe im on another plant? I take ur point without offence:)
The price is the actual price on todays market. I have had several auctioneers give it to me like it is....I have run a few sdverts & have got enough replies to fill the same house 4/5 times over. Is this a true reflection? Western Road, the location of this house is between the uni & city centre about 5/6 mins to each literally. I have factored in rate hikes/maintenance/vacant periods/ etc....
I know there is a significant increase in the number of houses to let in cork like everywhere but is a house to let in Glanmire/Blackrock/Togher etc to be compared?

Your comments are greatly appreciated and have no worries i can take it on the chin no matter how critical:)

Thank you
 
I agree. renting 9 rooms to 12 people is going to be an unbvelievable headache - particularly when they are students.
He's renting 9 rooms, with one person to every room.

As for rents, €100 for a single and €115 for a double is definitely achievable if the house is newly renovated. I can't see those rents falling, although I think they may stay static for two years with inflation eating into your profit.

I think the figures stack up on this one, although my only concern would be whether Paddyboy0576 is happy to deal with the hassles of letting such a large house to students.

If you do go ahead with it, best of luck. My advice to you would be to make sure you don't spend too much in furnishings. Students almost certainly will wreck carpets, dirty walls, break cups, etc. Don't scrimp on any structural work though. Oh, and only provide things that tenants need! Don't waste money on a television, dish washer or stereo!
 
I think you are missing the bit that he is buying a 9 br house in cork city centre beside the university for 300k from his uncle.

If you read the op's last post you will see that he is getting the house at market value, which means that as property prices continue to fall he will be loosing capital.

Also referring to your point about "chicken lickin' economics". risks have to be considered when making an investment and the op needs to be aware of them before he committs to a huge mortgage and loan. He is not buying a packet of cornflakes...the mortgage will be with him for 25 or 30 years!

The fact is that the financial turmoil that is going on at the moment is the worst since the Great Depression and as the country is in recession, any investment decision made now is very risky because the future is more difficult to predict.
 
You wouldn't get an apartment in cork cc for 300k, never mind a 9br house!
Schmarket value me thinks - if that is what 9 br houses go for in cork, sign me up for two of em please.....

The valuation is way off, hence the rental figures look so good. Nice yield.

If anyone else wants to off load a house like that for 300k with those rental income numbers, pm me please!
Cash waiting...

And given everyone thinks this is the worst financial crisis since the depression, perhaps they should hop in to a time machine and visit ireland circa 1980, or any decade prior to that...
 
Your numbers assume 52 weeks per year occupancy for each and every room. This isn't unlikely, it's impossible, especially when renting to students.

40 week occupancy equates to a rental return of 37800, still a healthy return on investment but you've also to account for the fact that you'll be renting out 9 rooms. Over the course of a year that equates to a lot of work.

Correct me if i'm wrong , but i understood that students had to pay rent in advance for 12 months occupancy , regardless of the college term ?
 
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