Sure, because all those other countries in Europe didn't look at the other options and are far right neo-cons (like Bertie) and so introduced water charges for ideological reasons.To suggest a particular model of fundraising for the required investment (household charges) over any other model (corporation tax, income tax, state borrowing, or other) without any real analysis of the actual investment involved but rather 'everyone else is doing it, so we should follow', smacks of ideological thinking more than anything else.
How Ireland achieves this is really the remit of the sovereign government.
That's why they claim to be socialist but oppose socialist policies like property taxes and water charges
Sure, because all those other countries in Europe didn't look at the other options and are far right neo-cons (like Bertie) and so introduced water charges for ideological reasons.
Why are there no protests about the 20% of the populate already paying for water via private supplies? If the concern is regarding the state's responsibility to provide safe water, that's where the focus should be.
Ah, okay.Let me clarify, I am not against water charges per se. I'm against water charges in a country that has an abundance of under utilised water resources.
I know you are confused. You seem to think that Water Charges are a capitalist neo-con policy or ploy. I pointed out that they are embraced by socialist governments all over Europe.I'm confused @Purple. You appear to be saying that water charges are a leftist socialist right-wing neo-con policy ?
We have an abundance of resourced capable of generating electricity but I don't think electricity should be free at the point of consumption.
We have an abundance of resourced capable of producing food but I don't think food should be free at the point of consumption.
So you are okay with paying for everyone to have limitless access to an infrastructure to clean it for consumption and clean it again after consumption?
You seem to think that Water Charges are a capitalist neo-con policy or ploy
Can you give me next weeks Lotto numbers while you're at it?Within a decade of the introduction of water charges we will have the marketing circus of various companies advertising their water rates, offering discounts, of providing the exact same product that was being provided all along.
Then you must be in favour of the Green Party proposal that there's a Constitutional Amendment ensuring Water resources are never privatised and that there are generous household allowances. That's grand so; all sorted.They are only a capitalist neo-con policy or ploy when the free usage limit is reduced and the entity that manages it eg - Irish Water is sold off to private corporations to commercialise and maximise profit from.
Then you must be in favour of the Green Party proposal that there's a Constitutional Amendment ensuring Water resources are never privatised and that there are generous household allowances.
I can't remember who said it initially, but it goes back at least 30 years as I heard it before the first gulf war. "The next wars will be over oil. The wars after that will be over water".Kamala Harris has recently stated that wars of the future will be about water. She admitted that past wars were over oil
I would love to see that, with it we'd need to ditch the bloated LA staff of course!! When waste collection services were privatised, my bill dropped by ~70% through better value and being incentivised to make better choices.Within a decade of the introduction of water charges we will have the marketing circus of various companies advertising their water rates, offering discounts, of providing the exact same product that was being provided all along.
I would love to see that, with it we'd need to ditch the bloated LA staff of course!!
When waste collection services were privatised, my bill dropped by ~70% through better value and being incentivised to make better choices.
Really? I wasn't paying any charges before charges were introduced.. When Mary Harney introduced it my initial charges were €2.50 per tag, or about €75 a year. Now the most competitive price in my region is €225.00pa.
There are three companies 'competing' to collect the rubbish and recyclables.
Really? Who was paying for it then? I suppose that unless we are in the top 30% of earners none of us are net contributors to the exchequer so before privatisation our rich neighbours were paying our bin charges, just like they are paying our water charges now. I don't like being a freeloader so, along with the obvious environmental advantages of a "polluter pays" strategy, I'm all in favour of doing the right thing and paying for water and waste.I wasn't paying any charges before charges were introduced..
True story. We have an 'umble abode in the South of France. September 2019 we came home but turned on a timer for the outside hose to water a few plants 30 mins a day. The timer broke off the tap and for the whole month of September it spewed high pressure water 24/7.
Got a water bill for over €7k
After considerable argument we convinced them that they hadn't actually sanitised the water as it went simply into the ground. They cut the bill in a about a half, but still the mind boggles to think what we would have had to pay if the thing was left on all winter!!
Not sure, I assume it was out of general taxation.Really? Who was paying for it then?
I don't like being a freeloader so,
I'm all in favour of doing the right thing and paying for water and waste.
Got a water bill for over €7k
After considerable argument we convinced them that they hadn't actually sanitised the water as it went simply into the ground.
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