Varadkar: Jobseekers Benefit should be higher than Jobseekers Allowance

Discussion in 'Economic issues' started by Protocol, Nov 11, 2017.

  1. Protocol

    Protocol Frequent Poster

  2. MrEarl

    MrEarl Frequent Poster


    I'd far rather see the state set up some form of "work for your pay" arrangement - almost everyone could do something, be it support / admin services for various government departments, or helping maintain the public parks etc. etc.

    Pay people a bit more, get them working say 3-4 days a week for 2-3 weeks of every month, everyone wins (apart from the very small minority who just want to do nothing and have the rest of us support them).

    Just imagine, government departments that answer their phones, don't drag their heels for weeks (or even months) before responding to your correspondence, far more dog wardens out fining people for not picking up after their dogs, the list of things that need help in this country is endless and the list claiming benefits isn't a lot shorter, so there must be an obvious match here in principal.
  3. Gordon Gekko

    Gordon Gekko Frequent Poster

    Steady’ll have the bleeding heart lefties out in force insisting that welfare recipients shouldn’t be humiliated in such a manner
  4. MrEarl

    MrEarl Frequent Poster

    What, you mean having to work like everyone else ? :D
  5. allencat3

    allencat3 Registered User

    Both my husband (age 74) and myself (64) are sensorily disabled since birth and had undertaken special schooling in different locations. My husband, despite being semi-illiterate, managed to obtain a 7-year apprenticeship, and obtained a trade, working for 46 years, for three employers. During his time of employment, he had been treated abominably by some of the supervisors and work colleagues due to his disability. Yet he persevered to work and save hard enough, along with myself, to purchase a house, car and pay for utilities, insurance (house, motor, health, life, etc.) When seeking a mortgage for our house, he was turned down by a bank, who assumed that he would not manage to keep up mortgage repayments due to his disability, despite a letter of reference from his employer, certifying his permanency of his job and employment history. Fortunately, my own building society approved our application for the mortgage - that was 40 years ago! Anyway, to cut the story short, we paid our dues and contributed to Irish society. When my husband reached his retirement age of 65, his employer's pension scheme folded up, leaving a very small pension for him, despite our appeal to the Pension Board. He draws the state pension. Then last year, I had to retire 2 years early - from public service after 20 years - for health reasons. All I receive is 97 euros fortnightly, plus illness benefit of 193 euros. Thankfully, the mortgage had been paid off many years ago. It was yesterday when I saw the television report displaying a young woman - lone parent - with five children, including a new-born child - granted a new house.
    Why should, as Brendan Burgress said in his opening post on this thread, those who worked for over 40 years receive only 10 euros on contributory State pension more than those who would not make an effort to support oneself during his/her "working" (or should it be "welfare") years?
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  6. Firefly

    Firefly Frequent Poster

    Excellent post and well done to you and your husband. It's a sad state of affairs alright but at least you can both look in the mirror and feel good about yourselves for having done things the right way. It's a pity more people are not like you!
  7. Purple

    Purple Frequent Poster

    The problem is that many people see nothing wrong with living off their fellow citizens for their entire lives.
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  8. Palerider

    Palerider Frequent Poster

    JSB should of course be more as the individual has contributed.

    The message in the Allencat3 post is one we all know well, be a good citizen, play by the rules, improve yourself, add to society despite any and all obstacles, pay your taxes etc but bear in mind if the day comes when you need help from the State that you should expect to fight or suck it up.

    We have a welfare mentality, it runs deep and in many cases it is generational, I have heard this first hand from a single mother of two that lives with the children's unemployed father in a private rented house that the taxpayer funds in a nice area Southside Dublin location 5 minutes from the beach.....quoting here, ""my parents never worked and they did alright so I won't and I will refuse all housing offers unless I get a house near my Ma and Da.."

    I couldn't argue other than on the side of the prsi contributor that finds a need for JSB, it is daft that JSA payments are the same and I know these are means tested but that is not the point.