Upgrading a small Bungalow

When this happens you buy ye ould gas cylinder heater, on wheels.
Ye olde SuperSer with the yellow cylinder. A life saver in an emergency power outage scenario. I bought one years ago and in the aftermath of one of the storms in the last few months I had to buy a cylinder of gas or freeze. €34 delivered to the door, (assuming you have an empty cylinder to exchange) no mess, no soot, no delay and it fits onto the hearth in the living room. Probably not a day-to-day solution, but for emergencies, I have yet to see it bettered.
 
Yes the Superser - forgot the name ! Ideal back up in times of outages. The OP can buy one of those if there is a dramatic problem with their heating. If they insulate really well they may not need it ever. Ireland doesn't have an extreme climate. One important point is the importance of ventilation when insulating.
 
Yes, it's a BER of D1, not located in Dublin 1.

I'd appreciate any advice / opinions on the original post, when I saw all the replies thought there'd be a wealth of information but unfortunately not.
 
Look for your house type on this document, it will outline the options available and help in prioritisation
That document is brilliant thank you.

I'm trying to work out whether I'm absolutely mad to consider buying the bungalow coming from a A2 apartment. I love the fact I never have the heating on at all. Summer house, is heat pump but very well insulated so I really like that as well.

I had a C3 house with gas central heating for a while and just really didn't like the "type" of heat - but maybe I'd get used to it.

I'm getting madly different figures between €20k to €150k to get the bungalow wrapped, new windows and doors, and full attic insulation.
 
I don't understand the different 'type' of heat a gas boiler gives, surely it's the same as any boiler, the heat is coming from the radiators which the hot water is flowing through, how the water is heated surely makes no difference?

I have a gas boiler for 30odd yrs, it's just in the utility room and has no impact on any of the heat in the house other than heating the water for the rads and tank. To me it's no different to the oil boiler in utility room my brother has, both having same result or am I missing something?

I actually have one of those newer fancier gas heaters too, similar concept to superser but looks better, now that does emit a different 'type' of heat, more that it's an ever so slight smell, basically you would know there is a gas heater in the house but I'm very sensitive to that, other people don't seem to notice it at all. It doesn't bother me as such and it's a great source of handy heat in big kitchen when central heating not on.
 
I don't understand the different 'type' of heat a gas boiler gives, surely it's the same as any boiler, the heat is coming from the radiators which the hot water is flowing through, how the water is heated surely makes no difference?
Heat pump systems tend to run at lower temperatures, they run longer to achieve the same heating effect but they are less prone to creating convection drafts in a room. In a building with air-tightness and insulation issues, those convection flows can result in warm air flows that can feel a little stuffy.
 
Only briefly had one on my rental house and really don't like the feeling of them. Maybe it's just that I'm used to heat pump or naturally warm buildings but find the gas heat almost stuffy
Don't confuse the heating system with the heating output (low temp vs high temp system). We also have an A-rated house with a heat pump. A good chunk of the comfort comes from the the house being properly insulated. But by far the biggest improvement in comfort has come from using weather compensation to control the system.

No more thermostats causing spikes and drops, just a very pleasant and constant temperature. Our rads vary from 25 - 37degrees depending on outdoor temperature.

This can also be achieved with a good condensing gas boiler, you just have to operate it as a "low & slow" system. You will have a choice of gas boiler or HP, what is important is the low temperature radiators or UFH inside the property and controls are set up to deliver this type of heating.

I'm guessing the best order would be as listed above?
I think it depends on your budget and priorities. If you plan to live in this property for the forseeable future and you don't want any future disruption internally, then getting all of that work done first before you redecorate is important. But the gas boiler/Heat pump decision could be left until later as long as the wet system inside the house modernised. But for grants it may still make sense to do it all together.

Would I be better going through OSS or do it individually?
In your shoes, I would be looking at finding an independant energy consultant who can guide you on what to do but is not selling you the materials to do it. An OSS might be the right final solution for installation but don't ask them for advice because they are literally selling you everything.

This is not a recommendation (and I'm not affiliated) but @Micks'r is a frequent poster on AAM and does this type of work. Maybe he is in your area or maybe he can give advice on similar people who are in your area.

The main point being you might be able to get an awful lot of the benefit for a fraction of the cost. e.g. windows could be fine and just need new seals and some filler to improve air tightness
 
I'd appreciate any advice / opinions on the original post, when I saw all the replies thought there'd be a wealth of information but unfortunately not
We cannot give you concrete advice as we don't actually know what your potential bungalow looks like.


Heating systems

- gas to me is the best, clean and efficient
- oil is next best
- electric heating is the absolute worst, place never feels warm, never seen any type of storage heater or electric heater that actually made a place seem warm
- heat pumps, no idea, but cannot figure out from what I’ve read if they make sense or not, and don't actually understand the concept


Gas

Literally instantacious heat and hot water, house feels warm, in cold weather feels warm very quickly after heat goes on, my favourite, and there is nothing better than a gas hob. Cannot think of a single downside.

Oil

Second best, house feels warm, depending on size of house and insulation, in cold weather house can feel warm very quickly. Not as clean as gas, but nothing to bother me. It requires an immersion (ask Des Bishop)

Electric

The absolute worst type of heating. House feels cold. Very fiddly as regards storage heaters, somehow the electric heaters just never, ever seem to heat a room properly.

Windows & Doors

No doubt about it but modern double glazing make a massive difference to a house. Instantly you can feel the difference when installed.

Insulation

Having spent an absolute fortune on taking a house back to it's core recently, and putting in really excellent damp proof courses, including incredible amounts on doing the flooring, I mean the core, worth every penny. House feels warm without any heating. Helped by a lot of thought into orientations as regards doors/windows/openings/sun.

Personally think insulation is the most important of all.

SSEIA Grans

We looked into this. A complete scam if you ask me. Made zero sense to us. The companies that will do it for you want you to go with them, the grant is built into their profits. Making is unfinancially attractive.

Attic

It's a no brainer to insulate the attic

Electric showers

An Irish speciality, along with the Brits. Seriously! Awful! Better off direct from gas or from the immersion (nowadays called something else. ) .

Chimney's

Who doesn't love an open fire, but they are filthy, require work, require fuel purchase and storage. You said you're getting rid of it for space, top idea. Been in a couple of places where no matter how much coal one puts on the fire the heat was going everywhere but into the room !!

Heat Pumps

No clue. But it's something we have to look into for next project. Poster OKGO sounds very knowledgable. Found his/her post very informative. He's given you advice to go talk to a proper expert. That's your first step.
 
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- heat pumps, no idea, but cannot figure out from what I'vve read if they make sensew or not, and don't actually understand the concept
They work on the same concept as your fridge, just instead of extracting heat and shedding it through the condenser coils at the back of your fridge, a heat pump sends the heat into the house in an air to air system or uses it to heat water in an air to water system.
 
What you haven't mentioned, nor has anybody else, is ventilation. If you get the insulation and heat sorted, then you are creating a problem if you don't address proper ventilation!. Especially in old bungalows.
I had a friend who as one, and the letters were damp on the hall floor when she came home from work. She installed a MVHR in the attic (and it sounds like that is an option for you), and it transformed the air quality and dampness.

I always bang the drum of heat, insulation, and ventilation. You cannot look at one or two of these in isolation.

Oh, and based on the size of the bungalow, the previous suggestion of air to air heat pump is, in my opinion, a cost effective option. It also allows you to take out any existing radiators to free up more space.
 
Heat pump systems tend to run at lower temperatures, they run longer to achieve the same heating effect but they are less prone to creating convection drafts in a room. In a building with air-tightness and insulation issues, those convection flows can result in warm air flows that can feel a little stuffy.
Ah I misread, thought it was saying a gas boiler was different to other heat rather than specifically a heat pump. I have never lived in a heat pump house so don't know what it feels like, I only know two people with it and you have to dress in layers if visiting. I always thought I was a cold sort of person but apparently not!
 
Sorry - forgot to mention ventilation - will have a MHVR in the bunglow. Ideally a Vent Axia in the attic as thats what I'm most familiar with but will have to do more research as it's been two or three years since I last bought one.

I'm not absolutely against gas boiler, and will consider it. But from my experience a heat pump beats it - my only concern would be can I get the bungalow to a standard where a heat pump will be efficient.
 
They work on the same concept as your fridge, just instead of extracting heat and shedding it through the condenser coils at the back of your fridge, a heat pump sends the heat into the house in an air to air system or uses it to heat water in an air to water system.
Leo that is a perfect explanation for idiots like me! Thanks.

What’s air to air to air v to water, the latter does heating and hot water? Therefore the former still require an immersion?
 
What’s air to air to air v to water, the latter does heating and hot water? Therefore the former still require an immersion?
Air to Air is basically air conditioning. It takes heat from the air outside and blows a stream of hot air into the house.
Air to Water takes heat from the air outside and heats water with it. You then use that hot water in your rads to heat the house and in the tank to heat your water.

Air to Air generally does not heat your hot water tank (although you can get fancy systems that do).
 
Personally I'd never forego a fireplace or stove in a house.
The problem was that there's an additional cost of 1k to isolate homes with solar from the grid to prevent safety issues if there is an external power cut. Its not built into the standard solar installation due to this cost and so many people who had solar were surprised to find it made no difference if there was a general power cut. A fireplace is basically a large ventilation shaft built into your home to extract smoke/fumes from burning fuel for heat. It causes HUGE heat loss - a home built without one is going to be warmer by default than one that has an unused chimney. The ultimate go to for superinsulation is the "passive house" standard which effectively insulates to the point where body heat of occupants heats the home as there is almost no heat loss. It might suggest that those homes were either customised to having a higher level of heat than strictly necessary, or that the level of insulation was not "super insulation".
 
Air to Air generally does not heat your hot water tank (although you can get fancy systems that do).
Both Daikin and Toshiba now do air to air systems that can control a water boiler as well as room units. If you look over on their websites you can see how they work. But if there is an existing "wet" system you are far better off going down the air to water route as that utilises the existing system. Air to air is best for homes where there is no existing wet system and the entire home would need that plumbing done first.
 
I'm getting madly different figures between €20k to €150k to get the bungalow wrapped, new windows and doors, and full attic insulation.
Can you break these down further. Don’t understand how you would have wildly different prices for double glazing for example.
 
It's small, so once you have good attic insulation heating costs will be relatively low.

Solar with battery is the obvious one - but only if you can get decent sunlight. Then charge the battery at night rate.

Rather than the expense of upgrading the gas heater, why not go electric? Though long term, gas upgrade is probably best (circa 3500)

Change fire to stove. A free standing version would allow the extra space you want and a stove fire is a nice feature.

Windows and doors are a good option especially with the grant.

I do see the benefits of the light tube - had one in a small house in the UK and it certainly added good light to the hallway.

Not convinced of external wrapping or heat pumps. We've a relatively mild climate for 6-8 months of the year and cost benefit analysis may not add up.
 
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