I KNOW they entered columbia on false passports. Last time I checked that was breaking the law.
I'm talking about the Waterford lads who overstayed their holiday visa's and will be spending Christmas in US Jails.
Daltonr, you condemn the Colombia 3 for passport offences, and would like to see them jailed without trial. Yet you expect leniency for 3 others who are charged with passport offences in the US?
Why don't you try to find a consistent position and stick to it. You just discredit your own argument by patent double standards.
It's a bad thing. Those in Guantanamo Bay were picked up in their own country, we don't know what they are even accused of doing, much less what they actually did.
WOW!! More errors and contradictions!!
Firstly they were not ALL picked up 'in their own country'. Many of the detainees are foreign Islamist fighters - Brits, Saudis, Chechens, Jordanians, Syrians, Iranians, Indonesians - who were apprehended fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq, fighting illegally against American forces!
We don't know what are they are accused off?
Maybe you haven't been keeping up with the news!
On February 24, 2004, the United States charged two detainees at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, with the following offenses triable by military commission: "attacking civilians; attacking civilian objects; murder by an unprivileged belligerent; destruction of property by an unprivileged belligerent; and terrorism, said conduct being in the context of and associated with armed conflict.
Thats what they are charged with, and the Americans think they are guilty as hell...just like you think the Colombian 3 are.
Now, having been enlightened about that, tell us again...
is Guantanamo a good thing or a bad thing??
Am I happy the original verdict was overturned "behind closed doors". No. Do I think Columbia is a model justice system No. Do I think terrorists who sneak into Columbia and get caught deserve any sympathy. Absolutely Not.
But do you think the Colombia 3 deserve a fair trial before you condemn them? Do the Guantanamo terrorists deserve a fair trial before you condemn them?
I said I know that the peace process in NI is a huge success, because nobody is dying anymore .
You replied..."Not sure of the relevance of this".
The relevance is that my comment was in response to your previous statement, to whit: "I also know their Peace Process story holds no water".
Its also highly relevant to all the people still alive today who could be dead if the war was still raging.
But which is it Dalton? It holds no water/Its a success? Which?
I'm having a really hard time following your logic. Is it your debating strategy to keep changing sides in order to confuse, or are you - really - just - confused?
If you must quote me can you stick to things I said instead of making stuff up or quoting other people.
Actually I was responding to someone elses post. You aren't the only one in this debate. Try to keep up.
I asked a question off Rabbit that wasn't answered. What makes a Shinner?
The reason I asked is this - I'm not a member of any political party, I'm no Sinn Fein activist, I don't agree with everything they've done, or the IRA has done. But neither do I consider the British Government and security forces lillywhite. Nor do I like the politics of the DUP etc.
When I look at the political landscape, I see corrupt politics South of the border. I will not accept FF as representative of my political ethos. FG are ...wafflers! I don't know what they stand for. The PDs are right wing demagogues. The Greens are nice people, but not a party of government. The SDLP don't stand here...mores the pity, I think it has a lot to do with their fading support. So who else can represent me?
In Sinn Fein I see a party with strong and principled leaders who are striving for a peaceful solution to a war that has touched me personally.
I see the criticism they receive, and some of it I can understand, but I also understand what they have to do to hold a diverse and difficult membership together.
The funny thing is though, the more criticism they receive, the more I tend to see their side of things. There is a massive Middle Class, anti-Republican, anti - Catholic, anti-Northern, West Brit constituency out there just HATES and FEARS the electoral success that SF has had. It is typified to me my the twisted logic of someone like Daltonr, whose prejudice is so deep he leaps in with a lie to publicly defend Islamic terrorists caught red handed in Afghanistan, but condemns outright an Irishman arrested for passport offenses - but only if he is related to SF or Republicans (if not then he should be let go).
Its all bare faced HYPOCRISY.
Even though I don't agree with every SF policy, I'll support them, because no other party matches their committment to the NI peace process, or has politicians with such personal integrity...and besides, when I read the responses I elicit I like to imagine the paroxysms of rage, the frothing at the mouth, the boiling red mist that seems to descend on those who just CANNOT believe that ANYONE in their right mind could POSSIBLY see anything in the Shinners.
Good heavens, NO!
