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The Lucy Letby Case
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The Karen Read retrial recently finished in the USA is similar for anyone interested in alleged cover ups by those in charge.
This is what happens when people are given deference and the assumption of higher ethical standards based only on the job they choose to do. We believed priests because they were priests and in this case it seems that doctors were believed because they were doctors.
It is utter nonsense to assume that a group of people are more honest or ethical or have higher moral standards based only on their job or qualification or the field in which they choose to work.
It is utter nonsense to assume that a group of people are more honest or ethical or have higher moral standards based only on their job or qualification or the field in which they choose to work.
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Good piece by the Irish Times London correspondent this evening....
www.irishtimes.com
Letby’s case is now being examined by the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC). Political pressure is growing on it to speed up its examination and, if it finds it warranted, to refer the case back to the courts as a potential miscarriage of justice.
On Tuesday, it emerged that Cheshire police had arrested three managers who worked at the hospital between 2015 and 2016, as part of an investigation into possible gross negligence manslaughter. Police said it did not “impact on the convictions of Letby”. That is a truism. Only a court decision can have an impact on her conviction.
All the while, a public inquiry chaired by appeal court judge Kathryn Thirlwall trundles along. It was established with its starting point the assumption that Letby is a remorseless mass murderer. Yet in the background swirls a growing campaign that maintains her conviction is unsafe. The inquiry’s report has been delayed until next year.
Lucy Letby case roils Britain’s legal and medical establishments
Cheshire police arrest three senior staff from Countess of Chester hospital, where Letby worked before her conviction for murder of babies
Letby’s case is now being examined by the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC). Political pressure is growing on it to speed up its examination and, if it finds it warranted, to refer the case back to the courts as a potential miscarriage of justice.
On Tuesday, it emerged that Cheshire police had arrested three managers who worked at the hospital between 2015 and 2016, as part of an investigation into possible gross negligence manslaughter. Police said it did not “impact on the convictions of Letby”. That is a truism. Only a court decision can have an impact on her conviction.
All the while, a public inquiry chaired by appeal court judge Kathryn Thirlwall trundles along. It was established with its starting point the assumption that Letby is a remorseless mass murderer. Yet in the background swirls a growing campaign that maintains her conviction is unsafe. The inquiry’s report has been delayed until next year.
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Yesterday's Guardian....
Can't imagine the Criminal Cases Review Board refusing a thorough re-examination of the case at this stage. With so many doubts from such a wide range of specialists, the headlines would go into overdrive - shining an even greater spotlight on the saga.
www.theguardian.com
Can't imagine the Criminal Cases Review Board refusing a thorough re-examination of the case at this stage. With so many doubts from such a wide range of specialists, the headlines would go into overdrive - shining an even greater spotlight on the saga.
Former senior coroner’s officer says Lucy Letby has suffered miscarriage of justice
Stephanie Davies says crucial details about one of the babies could have made difference to police investigation
www.theguardian.com
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I followed the trial a little bit. But I think the main thing we should all realise is that none of us were on the jury and therefore do not know all the evidence presented in the case. From this thread there seems to be new evidence unearthed all the time and the CCRC should assess that to see if they feel the conviction is unsafe and should be reviewed.
As far as I can recall the main problem was that the death rate in the NICU was too high and babies that were stable were dying and the only common denominator was Lucy. Her obsession with the deaths, the families and her weirdness towards being present at the deaths pointed to some obsessive type motive which she seemed unable to explain.
My concern with the narrative since her conviction is that it is by nature biased and is not being tested in a court of law like the original convictions. So I am loath to take any commentary as “fact” or unbiased.
There have been unsafe convictions in the past and there will be in the future, but there seems to be a new trend of “citizen investigation via social media” for some cases and not others, such as Erin Patterson in Australia, Karen Reed in Boston and even Aisling Murphy and Tina Satchwell trials in Ireland. Everyone seems to have an opinion on the conviction and whether their trials had the right outcome or not but we should forget that we did not sit on the jury.
As far as I can recall the main problem was that the death rate in the NICU was too high and babies that were stable were dying and the only common denominator was Lucy. Her obsession with the deaths, the families and her weirdness towards being present at the deaths pointed to some obsessive type motive which she seemed unable to explain.
My concern with the narrative since her conviction is that it is by nature biased and is not being tested in a court of law like the original convictions. So I am loath to take any commentary as “fact” or unbiased.
There have been unsafe convictions in the past and there will be in the future, but there seems to be a new trend of “citizen investigation via social media” for some cases and not others, such as Erin Patterson in Australia, Karen Reed in Boston and even Aisling Murphy and Tina Satchwell trials in Ireland. Everyone seems to have an opinion on the conviction and whether their trials had the right outcome or not but we should forget that we did not sit on the jury.