The effect of moving payday +1 and week 53

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Re: Payday changed.

umop3p!sdn said:
Well if what Towger says is correct, then it means that they are down a week's pay. For an explanation of Week53 and why this is so, check here:
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Possibly, but that's a different issue.
 
Re: Payday changed.

umop3p!sdn said:
Well if what Towger says is correct, then it means that they are down a week's pay. For an explanation of Week53 and why this is so, check here:
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They could not possibly be down a weeks pay - may possibly have an extra week in year N rather than in year N+1 but that is only a tax issue.
 
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JoeRoberts - did you read the link that explains week 53?

There are 365 days in a year, but only 52 weeks in a year.
52 x 7 =364. This means there is a missing day each year.
Over the course of seven years, this adds up to a missing week. Week 53 accounts for this missing week.

In other words, every seven years, people should get 53 weeks pay instead of 52 weeks. If this didn't happen, like could have happened in the above scenario, then the employee is down a week's pay.

The last Thursday of 2009 fell on 31 Dec - week 53.

(There are also leap years to consider)
 
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umop - if someone is paid week in and week out and then one week the payment changes from Wednesday to Thursday how can they be down a weeks pay ? It's not possible.

Their payment is delayed - no issue there - but it's not missed.

What happens is that their 53 week year moves from (say) 2009 to 2010, but week to week they are still paid the same whether the day changes or not. The only way they would miss a week would be if they started off being paid on Mondays, then one week it moves to Tuesdays (no biggie in itself), then it moves to Wednesdays, then Thursdays, Then Fridays and finally on to Mondays (the Monday a week later, not the one just after the last Friday payday). In this case they are being paid for an 8 day week. If this pattern never reverts then they will work an extra week over time without being paid for it.

This is not what is happening in this case.

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Re: Payday changed.

zag said:
umop - if someone is paid week in and week out and then one week the payment changes from Wednesday to Thursday how can they be down a weeks pay ? It's not possible.

Their payment is delayed - no issue there - but it's not missed.

What happens is that their 53 week year moves from (say) 2009 to 2010, but week to week they are still paid the same whether the day changes or not. The only way they would miss a week would be if they started off being paid on Mondays, then one week it moves to Tuesdays (no biggie in itself), then it moves to Wednesdays, then Thursdays, Then Fridays and finally on to Mondays (the Monday a week later, not the one just after the last Friday payday). In this case they are being paid for an 8 day week. If this pattern never reverts then they will work an extra week over time without being paid for it.

This is not what is happening in this case.

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I'm posting this under the assumption that this is true:
It is also possible that they should have run a Week 53 for Thursday 31 of December, but botched it, leaving the 'easiest' fix of moving the pay day to the Friday 1st January.
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If this is the case, then what's to stop the employer moving the paydate again on the next year that there are 53 pay days? In fact, they probably will.
It is my experience dealing with employers that many do not understand the concept of week 53, and why they should pay this 'extra week'. We have already received a good few support calls on this issue already this year (Thursday is a popular pay day). It is not uncommon for employers to want to change the pay day as a 'solution' to this 'problem'.

In the above scenario, if the employee has been paid on a Thursday for the last seven years, then they will miss out on a week's pay.

It really is hard enough to convince employers of the existence of a week 53 scenario without such misleading or confusing information.
 
Re: Payday changed.

umop


If someone is paid €10 /hr, works 39 hrs a week and gets paid €390 every single week how can you possibly make your above claim?.
The issue is only a tax issue , not a gross salary issue.
If your scenario was correct then there would be a riot every 7 yrs with people ( with support of unions ) claiming they are owed money . Employees are not stupid, they would know if they were being done out of money !!
 
Re: Employer has changed my payday at short notice from Thu to Fri which does not sui

If someone is paid €10 /hr, works 39 hrs a week and gets paid €390 every single week how can you possibly make your above claim?.
The issue is only a tax issue , not a gross salary issue.
If your scenario was correct then there would be a riot every 7 yrs with people ( with support of unions ) claiming they are owed money . Employees are not stupid, they would know if they were being done out of money !!
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Well you clearly still do not understand about week 53. I don't know how else to explain it to you. Did you not understand the link?
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I might be wrong here but this is my understanding.

If the OP is hourly paid the change makes no difference as the OP gets paid for the hours worked.

If the OP is paid an annual salary which is broken down into weeks then every 7 years or so the OP will get an extra weeks pay. Changing payday will have the effect of changing some of the years in which the OP gets an extra weeks pay.
 
Ajapale - Yes, that's my understanding too.
I didn't notice that JoeRoberts had put a non-annual salary scenario in there.

This can also happen for fortnightly and four weekly paid as well.
 
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