Supplementary part of pension being held up by DPERS

[stoves1]

According to my Garda Pension section, the supplementary part of it which i recieved up to february of this year 2026 along with the relevant % increases is now with DPERS, I also asked my pension section about lump sum which i was due from retirement in may 2022 to Aug 2024 again i was told this was with DPERS, anyone having same issue, and can i do anything about it, many thanks for constructive replies

 

[CorkHome2022]

DPER is not supposed to have any role in your pension . Your entitled to your pension figures as if you were a Pre95 retiree , the Supplementary Pension is to bridge the gap until you claim the old age pension in your own right . Now can you tell us if your looking to claim backdated Supplemtary Pension from May 22 ( I assume your retirement date and Aug 24 when the new circular came into effect .)
Again during this time did you claim SW or were working ?
Why was it cut off in Feb ? If your not working or claiming SW payments then you should be getting it ? Did you send in a fresh from to claim it again , it must be claimed each year as it does not roll over automatically .

 

[Robovac rider]

it must be claimed each year as it does not roll over automatically .

Unbelievable treatment of people who served the state.

 

[stoves1]

Many thanks for replies, Yes looking for backdated Supplementary from retirement date till Aug 2024 circular, i havent worked since and went through the process of claiming SW ( jobseekers benefit) for circa 9 months, then went on full supplementary which didnt recieve % national wage agreements until Aug circular, I was recieving % supplementary increases up until past 2 wage increases.
I have returned the form to justice for past few yrs.
Up until recently i was told by pensions that the back money due to me was with DPERS this past 2yrs! and reason i didnt recieve past 2 % increases was pensions have to do Supplementary manually for post 1995 members and they dont have the staff.
I phoned pensions killarmey this week and was told both issues are now with DPERS absolute S--t Show

 

[blanketyblank]

I’m a teacher. - retired - Waiting on my supplementary pension. Since end August. While it’s only 2 months nearly I wish they’d hurry on. I’m living on the part that comes from the department of education. I wish our pensions were easier sorted. I agree it’s bad treatment !!!!

 

[CorkHome2022]

Re the pay increases , as a decent chunk of your pension figures will contain allowances to the best of my knowledge that portion never goes up with a pay increase . Its only your salary part of your pension that matches pay increases for the public sector . The overall pension is to be same as if you were pre95 and the supplementary bit is the old age pension payment , combined these will never exceed your overall pension entitlement .

Re blanketyblank , the Supplementary bit will be backdated to when you retired .

 

[Saturn]

as a decent chunk of your pension figures will contain allowances to the best of my knowledge that portion never goes up with a pay increase .

Standard pensionable allowances generally do increase in the pay rounds and should be reflected in your pension if it had formed part of your pensionable remuneration.

However, it sometimes happens that a new allowance, grade, etc. is brought in after you retired. This usually only relates to circumscribed sectors and is not pensionable for those already retired.

 

[stoves1]

Thanks for replies all, up to March 2026 my Supplementary pension was getting the % wage increases which is as it should be, having phoned my pension dept the week just passed, they said they cant apply the last 2 increases to supplementary part of pension as its with DPERS, in other words there is nothing they or i can do but wait! I asked to speak to a principal officer , they dont have one only an APO who they will pass my query to, i doubt i will here any more going on my past experiences with the Supplementary part of my post 1995 pension

 

[Fionclaire]

@stoves1, I am sorry to see you are still dealing with issues on your supplementary pension.
My file ended up with the FSPO, as sadly, the DPER would not budge on the unfairness of Circular 12/2024. While it got rid of the red tape for one having to exhaust all social welfare entitlements first, before an OSP would be paid, it also diminished pension parity between pre 1995 and post 1995 public sector retirees.
You have not got the last two increases, as your OSP is capped at your maximum state pension rate, based on your service years in the public sector.
In my case I was on the maximum SPC, having completed over 40 years service, so due to Circular 12/2024, if one had retired in January 2026, on the maximum SPC, any further % general round increases, like those paid in February and June 2026, would not be applied to the supplementary portion of pension, but would of course be applied to the occupational portion of pension only.
By capping the OSP, breaks the pension parity promise, that the supplementary pension for post 1995, would bridge the entire gap to match their pre 1995 retiree of the exact same grade and service length.
My file is currently with FORSA, over a year now, who I understand along with other retired public sector unions, are gathering a collective file to demonstrate systemic retroactive discrimination from the fall out of this Circular 12/2024, but who knows if this will ever be dealt with. I have decided to LET IT GO, as it has been truly the most exhausting few years, and grateful for what I have got, when there is so many others trying to survive on state pension only.
Wishing you all the best.

 

[Saturn]

By capping the OSP, breaks the pension parity promise, that the supplementary pension for post 1995, would bridge the entire gap to match their pre 1995 retiree of the exact same grade and service length.

When was that promise made?

And why would it only apply to the supplementary pension for pre-state pension age employees? If it applied to retirees on the State Pension also, then public sector employers would need to adjust pension levels not only in line with every PS pay increase but also in line with State Pension increases. And if in any year the rise in the State Pension was greater than the PS pay rise would they then need to downward adjust the occupational pension rise to reflect the greater increase in the State Pension? That all sound like bureaucratic nonsense and I would be surprised if it ever was agreed or promised.

You have not got the last two increases, as your OSP is capped at your maximum state pension rate, based on your service years in the public sector.

Are you sure about that? The wording in the Circular suggests that it is capped at the current maximum State Pension rate (full stop). That happens to coincide with your OSP as you have 40 years service but would not for those with shorter service.

 

[stoves1]

Thank for replies, as i have circa 85% of service in public service all post 1995 so my OSP is shy circa 3k of a yearly Contributory state pension. which i will have enough Class A stamps to claim full amount on reaching aged 66 presently aged 64
It just so happens i got a reply today from Garda HR to an email which i sent to nssogov.ie circa 6weeks ago who forwarded it to Garda HR. which in summary says, "Further pension increases are due in this case & with all members currently in receipt of OSP, there is an ongoing query with DPER regarding the implementation of these increases, we are working with colleagues across the pension area to establish a sustainable process for applying these increases as current practice is not considered viable on an ongoing basis. until this is resolved we are unable to confirm a timeframe for implementation"

 

[CorkHome2022]

Stoves re the pension increases , why is there a DPER involvement in this , as Post95 your entitled to the same pension calculation as Pre95 , the OSP is the Pension minus the Old Age Pension until you get paid that in your own right by DSP . So lets say your pension calculation was based on 100k then with full service you get the 40/80 pension of 50k , the upcoming pay deal is worth 10.75% so your pension calculation goes to 110.75K and your pension goes to 55.375K the OSP is then recouped by your pension provider from DSP in the same way your certified sick was recouped . The Superannuation Handbook sets out clearly what your overall pension calculation should be . See below , the highlighted text is written in plain english .

 

[Saturn]

the OSP is then recouped by your pension provider from DSP in the same way your certified sick was recouped

There is no reimbursement from DSP. They have no responsibility for the OSP whatsoever.

In subsequent years the OSP should increase in line with the general increase in PS pay, and not in line with variations in the State Pension payment (except that the OSP can never rise higher than the maximum rate of State Pension).