Key Post Summary of the rules for terminating tenancies

[bipped]

Just shows the lack of joined up thinking.

There’s a lot of that for sure. Even the SF’s bill for a ban on evictions in the other thread includes licensees and that may be aimed at non-tenant house sharers, but if it were passed, it would affect every private homeowner who has a lodger or does RaR. Of course, that could be EOB’s intention, but it’s not looking at the real world consequences of such a daft regulation. Such a bill could specify licensees in a rented property for example, but our politicians only seem to propose broad-ranging regulations that cause problems for everyone.

We’re quite near a third level institution and many local homeowners have student lodgers during term. If licensees came under the RTB rules, I could see that stream of student rental places drying up very fast in our area and similar locations around the country.

 

[JamieB_]

Good point. Rules arent clear enough on most things but they seem to be clear on that point.

A friend who owns a BnB in Enniscrone sent me this today. They said those are all long term tenants and the rents are pretty low now.

'This was meant to be our permanent home': Retirees in west Sligo community face eviction

Six households in the coastal town of Enniscrone in west Sligo – whose residents are aged ranging from their 50s to 80s – must move out by 5 June next year.

www.thejournal.ie

They are trying to get the council to buy the homes so the tenants can stay in them, but the council cant buy every property where a tenacy is terminated. They would be better off just building new apartments for everyone who gets NoTs over the next few years than trying to buy the existing properties - if they had the money for either, which they dont.

On the lodgers coming under the RTB, well I dont really see anyone taking the risk of not being able to remove someone they dont get on with from the home they themselves live in, so I guess its evictions for the vast majority of those if it looks like the RTB are going to get control of them.

Imagine living with an absolute scourge in your spare room who you can get rid of and ends up with more rights to your home than you have. What a nightmare that would be.

 

[Greenbook]

Another set of evictions here this time in Tallaght

Richard Boyd Barrett discussed a similar scenario currently happening in Leopardstown

And these are very likely genuinely large landlords who should be better equipped to deal with the new rules. Instead they are exiting as fast as they can

 

[JamieB_]

Clarity of these rules is needed badly. Lack of clarity just causes stories like this to appear and nothing to say WHY it is happening.
Landlords have just given up and are saying - "OK, Im beaten. I just want out. So im out."

Journos acting like the caring sort, when all putting peoples pictures and names in these articles is going to do is ensure that they have great difficulty ever renting again. What landlord is going to rent to someone who they google only to find a picture of them saying they are not leaving a previous accommodation without a fight after getting a valid NoT?

Any landlords left in the market are going to be vetting really carefully and will check everything about any possible tenants. They will even have this question at the top of their list when calling a potential tenants last 3 landlords for reference - "When they received their NoT, did they move out on the date specified or were there any issues getting possession back from them?"

 

[Firefly]

A friend who owns a BnB in Enniscrone sent me this today. They said those are all long term tenants and the rents are pretty low now.

Another set of evictions here this time in Tallaght

I could see a plethora of properties coming on the market in the next 12 months. A boon for FTB's and investors happy to keep the properties empty for their kids, but not such much for renters....

 

[JoeRoberts]

They will even have this question at the top of their list when calling a potential tenants last 3 landlords for reference - "When they received their NoT, did they move out on the date specified or were there any issues getting possession back from them?"

I wonder if a previous LL is allowed to divulge that info ?

 

[bipped]

Another set of evictions

It’s a mess. Awful situation for any family to find themselves in and if those families are in receipt of HAP supports, they should have been in social homes in the first place.

Huge mistake made years ago by some crazy politician to stop building social housing because they were deemed to ghettoise occupants. The absolute cheek of whoever it was. Because there might have been some ASB in a social housing development, everyone should instead be placed into private estates ‘for better integration’. As if people living in council estates all over the country needed to live with private homeowners to understand that ASB was wrong. Such a condescending attitude to people who need support.

How Min Browne or any other TD thinks the new stricter regulations will fix the PRS and incentivise traditional landlords to stay is hard to understand. The next RTB quarterly report will be interesting.

 

[bipped]

I wonder if a previous LL is allowed to divulge that info ?

Probably not but the days of answering an ad and providing basic references are gone. It looks like renting will only get more difficult, checks on everything from credit rating, employment, court/legal cases, etc etc. Renting will probably go the same way as banks and employers, ie, extensive credit and background checks to verify an applicant’s bonafides and suitability. Landlords handing over a property worth hundreds of thousands should be able to do the same stringent background checks as banks imo.

 

[JamieB_]

I dont see why they couldnt answer that question. Even if they couldnt answer that, then a simple "Would you ever rent to that person again?". A one word answer to that tells you all you ever need to know. They wont be asking their current landlord either as you can trust the word of a landlord who wants the tenant out to say anything that might mean they dont move out, so its previous landlords with nothing to lose by telling the truth who will be asked.

 

[DannyBoyD]

then a simple "Would you ever rent to that person again?". A one word answer to that tells you all you ever need to know.

Agreed. This is a question I always ask of former property owners.

 

[Greenbook]

The next RTB quarterly report will be interesting.

It might not show the true picture though - the tenancies figures are massaged.

Any landlords left in the market are going to be vetting really carefully and will check everything about any possible tenants.

Yes, that is correct. I can see the larger landlords having a formal application and interview process - a bit like a job interview.

 

[JamieB_]

You can tell from other threads that the RTB are charging people multiple times in the same year. More massaging of the figures probably but they forgot there are Direct Debits linked to the records in the database. They keep sending me letters even though i have been on the LTL scheme for nearly a decade so have nothing to do with the RTB.

 

[LarryScott]

Even the SF’s bill for a ban on evictions in the other thread includes licensees

Wow, when things were looking pretty bad, this shows a SF desire is to extend things to make everything much worse.

The idea behind licensees is that the room is in a person's home. The possibility of a nightmare tenant living on the other side of the city is risky enough. A nightmare tenant in a person's own home is not worth taking the chance of.

The rent-a-room scheme was an oasis of sanity in a sea of craziness.

 

[Trustmeh]

Licensees are not just for students. It’s a great solution to elderly living alone in own home needing company over night. Keeps them out of nursing homes longer… another underserved part of the population that could be hurt by these sweeping changes.

 

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