Unbelievable stuff. The reds are certainly in the bed.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1117/teeu-portlaoise-conference.html
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1117/teeu-portlaoise-conference.html
russia tried that once and we all know how that ended up!
The sooner we find the money tree at the end of the garden the better.
True.No need to talk about Russia, Ireland has been doing this since the 1970s with disastrous results.
The state have been interfering with the real unemployment figures for years.
It would be interesting if they would finally publish what the real figures are taking into account all those on schemes, illness benefit etc etc.
The more often I hear these imbeciles prove their ignorance or stupidity in all economic matters, the more I hope that some country somewhere would actually follow their advice and pay half the unemployed to dig ditches and the other half to fill them in again.
Calling this man an idiot would be disingenuous to real idiots, so I'm open to suggestions on what to call him.
For more than a " sound bite " overview of ICTU's pre budget submissions I would refer posters to www.ictu.ie under the heading " shifting to growth & jobs "
Mr Beggs specifically referenced the " great depression " & as such I would imagine that his views regarding state involvement were based more on FDR's New Deal than any other concept ?
That's the same New Deal that failed and kept the USA in recession for nearly 10 years longer that it should have been?
No , that would be the New Deal that restored confidence in America's economy & dramatically reduced unemployment .
As I say www.ictu.ie details ICTU's pre budget submissions & perhaps people should reflect on same rather than on the one topic that Mr. Beggs states is a last resort ?
The Tallaght Strategy was when Alan Dukes, as leader of FG, supported a minority FF government as long as they implemented economic policies they his party agreed with. It was a far sighted and selfless act so obviously the Trade Unions had nothing to do with itWe have some of the most reasonable & responsible Trade Unions in the world , the Tallaght strategy being a case in point where Union involvement hastened the advent of the Celtic Tiger which unfortunately was thrown away by a combination of rapacious greed by our Bankers & developers with the collusion of FF.
That’s like saying that a shop owner should be happy to pay protection money to one racket because the shop owners in the next street have to pay more to the other racket.Brian Lenihan memorably stated that if he had introduced the pension levy/pay cut in France than there would have been riots on French streets , the Unions here however hung fire knowing that although they could have brought the country to it's knees it was not the correct thing to do even allowing for the fact that our union density is 4 times that of France - hence we have the Croke Park Agreement & given the progress made it seems likely that " The Son of Croke Park " is on it's way.
No, we’re in agreement on that. They’ve done a great job of it over the last 20 years; massive increases in public sector wages, registered trade agreements, resisting change and modernisation etc. And none of that had any negative impact on the rest of the country at all!Of course ICTU are a vested interest group given the fact that they are an umbrella group for Trade Unions representing 600,000 members - all such Unions main aim is to protect & if possible enhance terms & conditions - not a hard concept to understand surely ?
I’m sure David Begg agrees with you.Needless to say I stand by my assertion that the New Deal restored confidence in America's economy & dramatically reduced unemployment.
As I say www.ictu.ie details ICTU's pre budget submissions & perhaps people should reflect on same rather than on the one topic that Mr. Beggs states is a last resort ?
We have some of the most reasonable & responsible Trade Unions in the world , the Tallaght strategy being a case in point where Union involvement hastened the advent of the Celtic Tiger which unfortunately was thrown away by a combination of rapacious greed by our Bankers & developers with the collusion of FF.
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The Tallaght Strategy was when Alan Dukes, as leader of FG, supported a minority FF government as long as they implemented economic policies they his party agreed with. It was a far sighted and selfless act so obviously the Trade Unions had nothing to do with it
Your synopsis of evens is... heavily edited and rather selective.
That’s like saying that a shop owner should be happy to pay protection money to one racket because the shop owners in the next street have to pay more to the other racket.
No, we’re in agreement on that. They’ve done a great job of it over the last 20 years; massive increases in public sector wages, registered trade agreements, resisting change and modernisation etc. And none of that had any negative impact on the rest of the country at all!
I’m sure David Begg agrees with you.
You do realise the irony that this thread is about comments by David Begg, Director of the Irish Central Bank during the Ahern/Cowen era?
Mr. Begg's role in the Central Bank has never been forensically dissected by the Irish media - not even by the Indo.
Perhaps because Mr. Beggs was on the Internal Audit committee & was not privy to the info on the Banks ?