I note with interest that you don't have any answers to the difficult challenges that I outlined around tendering for services that are inherently unpredictable in nature. Perhaps you'd like to go back and review these questions again and educate us all on the possible solutions instead of coming up with catch (yet meaningless) cliches.
That's simplistic rather than simple. Try defining 'well' in terms of looking after these cases. Come up with a definition that will stand up in a court case involving a disputed provider.Very very simple. If you dont look after these cases well, then you dont get paid and you dont get the lucrative contract when it is up for renewal.
Do you have a source for this 'terrible track record'. Anecdotal evidence suggests that many people get excellent service from HSE, once they manage to get through the waiting list and get in the door.You neglect to point out that the HSE currently has a terrible track record in dealing with these cases, yet there is no remedy.
Strange as it might seem, the primary incentive for staff (particularly medical staff) is not money. If money was their primary incentive, they probably wouldn't be working there in the first place.You neglect to point out that the HSE currently has a terrible track record in dealing with these cases, yet there is no remedy. There doesnt appear to be any incentive for HSE hospitals to do a good job - they dont get paid any more if they do. What incentive do HSE paid staff have to go the extra mile with a difficult case?
You must be joking;Strange as it might seem, the primary incentive for staff (particularly medical staff) is not money. If money was their primary incentive, they probably wouldn't be working there in the first place.
I agree, it would be almost as bad as doing nothing or listening to those who only offer reasons why things can’t be changed.The current situation is extremely difficult. Knee jerk implementation of rushed and ill-thought out solutions will make it a whole lot worse.
Not in it for the money? Take your head out of the clouds!
If money was their primary incentive, they probably wouldn't be working there in the first place.
Several, as it happens, between family, close friends and neighbours, both in public sector and private practice. Mostly nursing and paramedics, rather than docs.I don' think Complainer has any medical people in the family.
Left it out of what? I didn't make any reference to remuneration, so I'm confused as to why you think I left out one particular allowance. But do feel free to share more details about it. Presumably it applies to those staff who use their personal cars on HSE business - right?BTW you left out the HSE's Mileage allowance... Very important... That is...
Sickens me too, the way they expect to be paid a bit extra for working weekends or the night shift. Bloody parasites eh?To be honest is sickens me when I hear the nurses going on about 'Our basic pay is only 28k etc'. I don't see them showing us their payslips, so we can tot up all the half dozen or so extra allowances on top of that 'basic rate'.
Well, not really, but feel free to keep dragging up old arguements if you like.Ah yes, the old "we need benchmarking" argument
Well, not really, but feel free to keep dragging up old arguements if you like.
I'd be happy to have a balanced debate with you about benchmarking anytime, but I don't see that it is particularly relevant to my point about motivation.Benchmarking is not an "old argument" but a serious contributor to our current public finances problem. You must think we have the memories of goldfish.
Funny how the simplistic solutions about tendering just dissappear into the mist when a few tough questions are posed!
Ah yes, the old "we need benchmarking" argument
I agree, but then it was only ever about buying off the public sector unions.The problem with benchmarking was not benchmarking which in itself is a valid idea. IMO. It was the very poor implementation of it that was the problem. In theory it should reduce wages too.
You don't appease them, you do what is in the natonal interest. Benchmarking came into existence not because of some vague perception (which turned out to be completely false) that the public sector was under paid; it came into existence because nurses and Garda couldn’t afford a house. Instead of taking the heat out of the property market (and not letting the banks get into the state they are in now) the government increased pay levels so that nurses and Garda could buy at bubble prices. The whole thing was a disaster for the economy.how else in times of boom would you appease the unions?
In my opinion benchmarking was tantamount to the government conspiring with the unions to defraud the people of Ireland. There was no basis to the core argument that the public sector was underpaid and the measurement matrix used was never published.How do mean "buying off"?
You talk to unions and take their opinions on board, then those with a constitutional and democratic mandate to run the country. That's not what happened.If you don't negotiate with unions you'll have industrial disputes all the time. Effectively union busting. Are you claiming benchmarking overheated the economy?
Benchmarking is not an "old argument" but a serious contributor to our current public finances problem. You must think we have the memories of goldfish.
I agree, but then it was only ever about buying off the public sector unions.
In my opinion benchmarking was tantamount to the government conspiring with the unions to defraud the people of Ireland. There was no basis to the core argument that the public sector was underpaid and the measurement matrix used was never published.
You talk to unions and take their opinions on board, then those with a constitutional and democratic mandate to run the country. That's not what happened.
Hang on a FF govt who didn't think something through before implementing it. By happy coincidence making all their cronies better off? Thats crazy talk.
I think they found that matrix on the back of betting slip the day someone won big on the horses. Well if you believe one...
Negotiating is appeasing unions. They are exist to bring the employee to negotiation. Either you or you don't. Negotiating is not the same as buying them off, and negotiating is not the same as not appeasing them. So I dunno where you going with that. You want it both ways.
But the important point we can blame the current crisis on the public sector.
Excellent point; you have just sumed up the root cause of what went wrong over the last 10 years.I think we have to come to a simple understanding in this country. You can have partnership or you can have reform, we choose partnership and consequently didn't get a huge amount of reform.
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