SIPTU Jack wants something more progressive than USC

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Duke of Marmalade

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SIPTU Jack has called for abolition of the USC. But he quickly assures his supporters that he has not deserted his socialist passion for taxation, he wants it replaced with something more "progressive", something that will yield even more than the USC but will be paid by the "wealthy".

USC varies from 1.5% to 11%. Something more progressive?:( Maybe Jack has in mind a NSC - Non Siptu Charge or a SEC - Self Employed Charge.

I think Jack's definition of "progressive" is that it brings in lots of tax but nothing from his members.
 
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I was mystified by the notion that he would replace USC with a "progressive" tax - I couldn't work out what the hell he thought USC was (other than disliked of course). It smacked of obfuscation. He is pandering to a constituency that doesn't understand the meaning of the words he is using or doesn't pay attention to his full message I think
 
I remember hearing Jacko a few years ago on the radio advocating that a portion of private pension funds be put into infrastructure projects to get the economy moving. I wondered at the time if Matt Cooper had asked, if a portion public sector pensions be derived from the profitability of said infrastructure projects, what his answer would have been :rolleyes:
 
Jack O'Connor is quite simply playing the political game in calling for the gradual abolition of the deeply unpopular but extremely lucrative USC in the knowledge that such a reduction seems to be resonating with some Labour & FG TDs who appear to favour such a reduction as opposed to a reduction in the top rate of tax.

Coincidently the Indo reports this morning that the Government intend to drop the USC 7% rate by either 1 or 2 % - keep the pressure on Mr. O'Connor !


I must say that I find offensive , as a Union member , the reference to union leaders/members as " beards " - a bit juvenile & generalising don't you think ?
 
As a non union member I find the disingenuous words from lobbyists such as SIPTU Jack and the other cohort of leaders from the union Cabal deeply offensive. These people who consistently damage this country, who care not a whit for those who are not paying their dues, be they the very poor or the very rich or anyone in between, but preach with bombast and gusto about what everyone else is doing wrong, how everyone else is greedy and how everyone else should pay more taxes so that their members can continue to take money from the state coffers that should be spent on the sick and the vulnerable. They sicken me.
This is just the usual hypocritical economically illiterate opportunism from a man with no discernible ethic or morals who represents a group with no discernible ethics or morals. They are not the only such group in this country but they are the best in class.
 
Deiseblue said:
Jack O'Connor is quite simply playing the political game in calling for the gradual abolition of the deeply unpopular but extremely lucrative USC in the knowledge that such a reduction seems to be resonating with some Labour & FG TDs who appear to favour such a reduction as opposed to a reduction in the top rate of tax.
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I think you're right.
 
Duke of Marmalade said:
I did not mean to cause offence. I have amended OP to show proper respect.
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Excellent , I have no difficulty with the terms - Comrade , brother or sister !

Incidentally Boards.ie , an infinitely more popular & more socially representative site has banned the terms " beards " & " bearded brethern " & other linked references as being offensive .
 
Deiseblue said:
Incidentally Boards.ie , an infinitely more popular & more socially representative site has banned the terms " beards " & " bearded brethern " & other linked references as being offensive .
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Is it socially progressive or the insidious erosion of free speech by subversive lobbyists?
 
Jack was blindsided by the ferocity of the Water protests, given that he had stayed quiet/supported Labour on the issue.
So he's trying to regain some ground from the more militant in the Unions by going after a n easy target such as USC. And USC will most likely be the Labour party's main focus of attack in the next GE, so Jack and Joan are continuing to do the 2 step
 
Purple said:
He's not calling for the end of it. He's calling for lower rates for his members.
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Well I want to go further than that. I want it gone because if it doesnt go soon it will become "part of the furniture" and what was once seen as an emergency tax will be seen as a standard tax.
 
The_Banker said:
Well I want to go further than that. I want it gone because if it doesnt go soon it will become "part of the furniture" and what was once seen as an emergency tax will be seen as a standard tax.
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His members "need" pay increases and you are going to have to pay for them so forget about that idea.
 
Delboy said:
Jack was blindsided by the ferocity of the Water protests, given that he had stayed quiet/supported Labour on the issue.
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You would hardy expect the Generalissimus to be against water charges. How else can we pay for his members' performance related pay?:mad:
 
The_Banker said:
Well I want to go further than that. I want it gone because if it doesnt go soon it will become "part of the furniture" and what was once seen as an emergency tax will be seen as a standard tax.
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Jack actually wants the overall income tax burden to increase, for most people.
 
The_Banker said:
I could be wrong but I dont think I took that from what he was saying.
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What exactly do you think he means?

But I agree with the other posters, he wants to tax more so that civil servants can get pay rises. That's just what the country needs, marches for pay rises.

How much are we borrowing annually?
 
Duke.
USC is (progressive ) in its bluntness it is ratcheted up to hit higher earners harder.

FIREFLY.
Private pension funds have been raided .

PURPLE.
{these people who consistently damage this country}
Wrong , they were not in charge, and think, were would most people be without the moral compass of Unions over the decades.Do you wish to put your faith in our (enterprising ) class?
DELBOY.
Inclined to agree that this is a touch of posturing.
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T MC GIBNEY.
You are probably correct in that Siptu want Income Tax to increase.

If I think about it he is CORRECT.
A proper Income Tax system would kill off these stealth taxes , USC/Pension Levy etc etc and Tax would be loaded on income without fudge.
 
Deiseblue said:
Excellent , I have no difficulty with the terms - Comrade , brother or sister !

Incidentally Boards.ie , an infinitely more popular & more socially representative site has banned the terms " beards " & " bearded brethern " & other linked references as being offensive .
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I have a beard and I talk to my bearded brethern about beards and associated beard stories all the time...


...that and we plot against our sworn enemy, the bearded hipsters, with their perfectly groomed beards and red trousers. :mad:
 
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