Sinn Féin's proposed NCT for private rented accommodation

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According to Eoin O'Brion's twitter the government are not planning to oppose his bill to introduce a compulsory NCT style test before private rented houses can be let: https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2020/65/

Has anyone in the Dept of Housing modelled how many tenancies will be lost to the rental sector due to this requirement? Does anyone care?
 
It's the equivalent of a group of thugs kicking someone to death when they are on the ground
 
Sinn Fein actively want to make the housing crisis worse as a political weapon.
The Shinners want to establish a socialist republic in which private property is minimised. In order for that to happen the State must own as much housing as possible. In their republic the State will be bigger and more powerful and control more aspects of our lives.
They used to be honest about their pseudo-Marxism but people didn't want what they are selling so they repackaged it in the skin of populism and protest and the mob are lapping it up.
 
I was just wondering about that. Could they be so callous to be doing this?
I don't think they care about the consequences to actual people. And in the short term they will break systems if they think they can get away with it to make a crisis worse if it brings them to power. The ends justify it. People only matter in the 'abstract' and how it relates to the 'cause', not individuals. So yes, entirely callous in that regard.

Their ideology is more important. And when they have the power implement their ideology, the people will be happy whether they like it or not. And if they are not happy, they are enemies of the state and the people.

We have seen this playbook before.
 
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SF are like a crumbling house with new wallpaper on the walls.
Unfortunately they are not crumbling, more like an ugly 1970s tower block reclad in new bright colours to appear modern and with it. They are still the old 1970s Communists albeit they only removed all their pro russian stuff since the Ukraine invasion
 
I don't think they care about the consequences to actual people. And in the short term they will break systems if they think they can get away with it to make a crisis worse if it brings them to power. T
This doesn't make sense though, they are going to win the next election regardless of what happens at this stage so the adoption of any of their policies by the current government will make their inherited position more difficult to deal with.
 
This doesn't make sense though, they are going to win the next election regardless of what happens at this stage so the adoption of any of their policies by the current government will make their inherited position more difficult to deal with.
The current government are being swept along on a tide of populism. The Irish Times and RTE are the main enablers of SF.
 
This doesn't make sense though, they are going to win the next election regardless of what happens at this stage so the adoption of any of their policies by the current government will make their inherited position more difficult to deal with.
They would still need to keep an eye on public opinion, opinion of coalition partners.

The bigger the mess, the bigger the powers they will demand to deal with it.
 
The current government are being swept along on a tide of populism. The Irish Times and RTE are the main enablers of SF.
They still decided to lift the eviction ban despite SF's opposition and the easier thing being to leave it in place (granted, it was only introduced as part of trying to pander to SF). FG bemuse me, there is no electoral advantage for them in moving to the populist left; in fact, it is alienating their base, but they are doing it anyway. SF will eat their lunch regardless so I don't understand why they don't try to capture the large middle-class vote and pivot back to being the party of "fiscal rectitude".
 
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FG bemuse me, there is no electoral advantage for them in moving to the populist left; in fact, it is alienating their base, but they are doing it anyway. SF will eat their lunch regardless so I don't understand why they don't try to capture the large middle-class vote and pivot back to being the party of "fiscal rectitude".

100% agree.

Brendan
 
I am going to very slightly deviate from the consensus so far on this. I have no strong view on whether a 'rental NCT' is a good thing or not. **

But if it is a good idea, this dreadful bill is certainly not the way to implement it. The drafting of this bill is extraordinary - not in a good way. To take one example:

A landlord of a rented dwelling shall: ....
(b) ensure that certification is based on an independent inspection by a suitably qualified professional from the relevant local authority;


What does this mean?
What if the 'local authority professional' turns out to have worked for the builder\developer of a rental unit in the past (therefore lacking independence) is it going to be the landlord's responsibility to police this? How?
What if it turns out that the 'local authority professional' is not suitably qualified. Will this legislation somehow make the landlord liable?
Are we contemplating a situation in which the landlord must interview the 'local authority professional' before letting them inspect?
Will tenants be able to sue their landlords for not policing the qualifications of the local authority?

It's all nonsense.

To take another example, the contemplated amendment is specifically to enable the Minister to make regulations which will force landlords to

prove their compliance with minimum standards and fire safety standards, as per the Fire Services Acts 1981 and 2003,

Why the specificity? Are these the only acts which are relevant to housing standards?? Or do they mean minimum standards from anywhere and fire safety standards from these two acts only? Does this mean that a new fire safety act will have the knock-on effect of making the 'rental NCT' amendment out of date? This act would be immensely improved by simply removing .as per the Fire Services Acts 1981 and 2003,

Sinn Fein is a party which has justifiable aspirations to govern. Their polling numbers are real.

I accept of course that this is just a bill as initiated. I would not expect it to get through the legislative process in its current form. (and of course, the obviously necessary amendments may give the opportunity to grandstand to the effect that the proposed amendments are seeking to 'water down' the obligations on landlords - who knows, maybe that is part of the strategy).

The drafting of laws is not a trivial task. It requires careful consideration and proper draftsmanship. Lawyers will have multiple field days with legislation of this quality if Sinn Fein, when in government, do not up their game in terms of quality control.

** I have given it some more thought. I am essentially a believer in free markets but perhaps with more regulation than the consensus view. Our national tendency toward 'light touch' regulation has not worked out well in many areas and this has influenced my views over the years.

However, the quality of our rental stock is unlikely to be improved by this measure, in this or any flavour, and the societal costs will almost certainly far outweigh the societal benefits. So I could have shortened this post considerably to a simple "yup, it's a bad plan".
 
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Masters of the 'Big Lie'.Putin and Trump are also practitioners.Repeat it often enough and it becomes the truth for a susceptible electorate.The eviction ban a case in point,not ending it flies full in the face of logic.Rational analysis must be sacrificed at the alter of popular support.However HAP tenancies are already subject to inspection which is excessive,inconsistent and messy.They will likely make a damn mess of their NCT proposal if their record in The North is anything to go by.
 
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