Serious risk of electrocution from 114,000 circulating pumps in homes - CCPC

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Electrocution risk from 114,000 circulating pumps

RTE reports that : "The Competition and Consumer Protection Commission (CCPC) has issued an urgent safety alert over 114,000 circulating pumps installed in heating systems in Irish homes that could present a serious risk of electrocution.

The affected products are Tucson 5m, 6m, and 8m pumps manufactured between 2017 and 2024."
 
People asked to check their boiler circulation pumps serial number to see if they are affected/in scope. In most cases this will require them to take the cover off their boiler, something people are told never to do? Is this good advise to give on national tv? I wonder what gassafe think of it.
My two circulation pumps (on a combi boiler) are inside the boiler casing.
 
I don't remember seeing any consumers being encouraged to get their screwdrivers out and start disassembling hardware - be safe, get a professional in as we've been told time and time again.
 
Luternau said:
In most cases this will require them to take the cover off their boiler, something people are told never to do?
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Were those pumps ever approved by the combi manufacturers for fitting within their boilers?
 
mathepac said:
or suggest that posters re-read the thread title
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This was covered at lunchtime, with a sample pump and advice given on how to check if you had an affected pump. I was quite surprised they went into this detail for something people are not normally encouraged to examine.

From RTE.ie.

Patrick Kenny from the CCPC said anyone who has had work done on their heating system in the last eight years needs to check if they have one of these pumps.

"Check your heating system very carefully - do not touch the pump, just look for the Tucson brand, find the serial number and check it against the list on CCPC.ie," he said.

As I said, many are inside the case so how can one follow the above give advice without removing the cover ?

I am not advocatimg removing any cover, just pointing out that it was not said not to remove the cover ....just not to touch the pump.

Let's be grown up here and quit the posters shuld read the title thread or Jedward ad comments.
 
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RTE covered this on the lunchtime TV news, reported had a physical example in his hand to show people. Worth anyone potentially impacted looking it up on the RTE Player
 
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Leo said:
Were those pumps ever approved by the combi manufacturers for fitting within their boilers?
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Do you mean factory fitted/OEM? I don't know. Its possible they were installed ex factory by some boiler manufacturers. The notice on rte.ie referred only to people that had work done ...so a pump fitted as a spare part, rather than everyone checking their boiler.
 
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Luternau said:
, it's quite possible they were installed ex factory by some boiler manufacturers.
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Perhaps, but if that was the case I would expect the model numbers affected would be included in the recall. That said though, it has long been a requirement for boilers to be RCD detected and the issue at hand here would trip the circuit immediately.
 
Luternau said:
In most cases this will require them to take the cover off their boiler, something people are told never to do?
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What is a circulating pump?

I have a booster pump (Walrus TQ400) external to the boiler that increases the pressure from the taps. So the Tucson is something else inside the boiler?
 
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Bit late to the party but at least RTE and The Journal amended their push notifications that 114.000 Heat Pumps are a risk! Details absolutely matter.....
 
Saw that on TV this morning and checked mine earlier as I had an extension built in 2020 and there was some changes made to heating system. The pump was where they said, near the tank in the hotpress, under it in my case and it's not that brand anyway. It's not near my boiler at all which is in utility room, however I don't have a combi boiler so don't know where you find it with those!
 
My guess is these pumps are not installed in boilers by boiler manufacturers, companies such as Ideal etc.. I think if it was those companies would have to become involved in this recall replacement process, and it would likely affect UK customers as well.

It seems to be an Irish company and this seems to be an Ireland only problem - i also guess these pumps are installed by plumbers/electricians elsewhere in the heating system but not in the boiler.

It's likely the journalists and CCPC don't realize there's a similar pump within the boiler.
It may be the case the pumps involved aren't suitable as replacements for failed in-boiler pumps. That need to be clarified though.

I'd have hoped some sort of certification process would have stopped this product ever reaching the market, there should be questions on just how this product ended up with any installations let alone 114,000.
 
ashambles said:
It's likely the journalists and CCPC don't realize there's a similar pump within the boiler.
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Combi boilers will have an internal pump, non-combi boilers, which would be more common here use an external circulation pump. Oil-fired boilers will have an internal oil pump, but they're a different animal.
 
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