Imagine the scenario (all hypotetical, I am happily married most days): my husband walks out on me and our baby son and has no interest in having access or contact. Five years down the line, I end up in a stable, loving lesbian partnership and my new lesbian partner is my son's best friend, enormous support and generally a fantastic replacement for a lousy father who walked away. Another five years on, I die and my loving, caring lesbian partner has to hand over my son to either un-interested father or the state? How is this fair and in better interest of my son than him being adopted and cared for by my lesbian partner?
The situation would be no different if your second relationship was a heterosexual one. So, why should a lesbian partner have more rights than a heterosexual partner?
But you still haven't answered the question as to why the lesbian couple are any different to any heterosexual couple who physically can't have kids.
This thread has gone around in circles so am giving up.
They accept that they physically can't? That is my opinion, whether most think I'm homophobic or not.
This harks back to the 'I want' attitude that most of the population is developing. People all seem to think they are entitled to anything they want.
Well I will answer it now, as I thought I had made my opinions clear in my replies before, I believe that a child should have a mother and a father, not 2 mums or 2 dads. Thats my belief. End of. Answered now?
Well I will answer it now, as I thought I had made my opinions clear in my replies before, I believe that a child should have a mother and a father, not 2 mums or 2 dads. Thats my belief. End of. Answered now?
Well I will answer it now, as I thought I had made my opinions clear in my replies before, I believe that a child should have a mother and a father, not 2 mums or 2 dads. Thats my belief. End of. Answered now?
It's not 2 dads, but surely this proves that not only can same sex parentage work, but that we all learn important moral lessons about ourselves in the process.
They are I didn't exclude anyone in my post you might notice. If I want to start a family it is because I want one, therefore the action is to benefit me initially.
The situation would be no different if your second relationship was a heterosexual one. So, why should a lesbian partner have more rights than a heterosexual partner?
If second relationship is a heterosexual marriage, step-parent can adopt a child at any time which is not the case with homosexual relationship.
Wrong - the step-parent has no automatic rights to adopt the child. Legally speaking, they are strangers to the child etc. By Law, the childs father automatically becomes the sole guardian when the mother dies. If he is not on the scene or not able, then the child becomes a Ward of Court.
Well if people are selfish for wanting kids well thank god for selfish people otherise the human race would be long since over.
I used to a dinosaur too, but I am no longer one. I was extremely biased, homophoebic, a complete bigot towards gay people . Thats a side of me that I totally totally, regret. In all walks of life there are brilliant parents, okish ones and then there are absolutely apalling ones. This would apply to all people irrespect of their sexuality.
The law being brought in simply is to acknowledge that we in law have equal rights irrespect of our sexuality. Plain and simple. I heard an interview with Colm O'Gorman some time ago, it was a facinating listen. He and his partner have one or two children whose mother was a dear friend of Colm, who unfortunately died of cancer. It was a real eye opener, very frank and facinating interview. At the end of the interview I was of the opinion that the children involved were extremely lucky to have a loving family to care for them especially having lost their mother.
I have 2 simple rules in life now:
1. Do not do to others what you would not like to be done to you.
2. Too much of anything, I mean anything is not good for you.
Just my tuppence worth.
Secman
You only talked about adoption. So if myself and wife decide to start a family, we are doing it for selfish reasons and our own satisfaction? So for someone who based their arguments on nature and natural procreation, you think that nature gave us tools to procreate but didn't give us the natural desire to procreate. That's just down to human selfishness?
Anyway, I will agree to disagree! It has run its course
But the opportunity exists for the step-father to adopt when in a relationship with the mother. That option isn't there for the gay partner.
With Gay adoption my stance is I'm just not sure either way and until I'm convinced something is right then I don't believe in change for the sake of change.
How does this directly affect you though?
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