RTE Leaders Debate - Claire Byrne live - Monday 15th

[Jumpstartdublin]

a joy to watch a well managed debate - with 7 leaders. Well done Claire and RTE. the much hyped Tv3 version regrettably was nothing but pure unprofessional.

 

[Gerard123]

Claire doing an excellent job alright.

 

[rob oyle]

But the debaters are not bringing anything to the discussion that they haven't mentioned ad nauseam before.

 

[Clonback]

Lucinda scores well on crime.

 

[Delboy]

Lucinda scores well on crime.

Scored very well on crime. Looks like Renua are taking over as the party of 'Law and Order'....FG vacated that title a long time ago

 

[Clonback]

Kenny gets buried on crime by Claire Byrne

 

[Clonback]

Brian Hayes claim that Kenny dominated the debate is laughed at by the panel.
Imagine the FG director of elections making such a stupid comment.

 

[noproblem]

Like a classroom of bold boys and girls with a teacher who wanted us all to see she might use the cane if they were bold or didn't do what they were told. She should have given Kenny and Burton 6 of the best across the bottom for repeating the same thing over and over again and not answering what they were asked. A very boring event.

 

[Purple]

Like a classroom of bold boys and girls with a teacher who wanted us all to see she might use the cane if they were bold or didn't do what they were told. She should have given Kenny and Burton 6 of the best across the bottom for repeating the same thing over and over again and not answering what they were asked. A very boring event.

Claire Byrne with a cane spanking people. You have a dirty mind.

 

[thedaddyman]

only saw the first part of it but I have to say Stephen Donnelly was the most impressive from what I saw. However since they are not running where I am it's all rather irrelevant. I also read this morning that he seemed to slip back when it moved to non-economic issues. Labour look doomed and in fairness, if you are of a socialist mind-set why would you vote for them since they are FG lite. ?

 

[Purple]

. Labour look doomed and in fairness, if you are of a socialist mind-set why would you vote for them since they are FG lite. ?

Because they are both left wing parties?

 

[Gerry Canning]

What is clear is that the small boys in the debate have tapped into a groundswell of dissatisfaction with the way the {4 Amigos.gf/FF/Lab/SF} sell politics.

I don,t see voter anger as a good policy .
I expect the Big 4, to sell the feeling in their final debate, that they need to temper their message into long -termism not the electoral cycle.

eg.I noted that when Renua said Health has to be long term there was applause.

If I am correct, the party that sells a longer -vision V promises and todays complaints will get the last floaters.
It was refreshing to see Clare control the 4 Amigos ,but maybe the reason was the 4 Amigos realised WE wouldn,t accept more tantrumism?

 

[jim]

I presume you mean 3 amigos Gerry?

FG and Labour are a joke. Kenny and Burton said the same stuff we ve heard many times before and time and again avoided Claire's direct questions. Burton does this thing when she starts to answer a questions by starting off with "and"...and then she rhymes off another rehearsed piece of crap without answering the question...its so transparent.

In fairness adams passion comes across and seems authentic to me.

Donelly was the smartest man on the debate and would be a great taiseach.

Martin is a great debater and is quite statesmanlike, He also comes across to me as being passionate and authentic and i like some of his ideas but unfortunately for him he is FF.

Creigton to me seems like an angry angry woman. but she is relatively young and is feisty so would be good to have in the dail.

boyd barrett - has some good ideas.

id like to see a left wing socialist progressive government. Out with the old and in with the new.

 

[44brendan]

id like to see a left wing socialist progressive government.

Oxymoron???

 

[Gerry Canning]

Jim ,

I meant 4 Amigos because when all is said they are playing the same fiddle .

FG/Labour = Both are trumpeting that they oversaw more jobs and less debt = a fact, that they repeat and repeat..
Sinn Fein = Sees what is wrong (don't we all) and big on aspirations but where is the money to come from = will we accept more taxes.
Social Democrats , I sense a broadening of (old) politics with them = I liked him.
F/F, good speeechifier = heard it before.
Renua, the lock em up party = far too glib.
PBF/AAA. Good people = but impractical.

 

[dereko1969]

I presume you mean 3 amigos Gerry?

FG and Labour are a joke. Kenny and Burton said the same stuff we ve heard many times before and time and again avoided Claire's direct questions. Burton does this thing when she starts to answer a questions by starting off with "and"...and then she rhymes off another rehearsed piece of crap without answering the question...its so transparent.

In fairness adams passion comes across and seems authentic to me.

Donelly was the smartest man on the debate and would be a great taiseach.

Martin is a great debater and is quite statesmanlike, He also comes across to me as being passionate and authentic and i like some of his ideas but unfortunately for him he is FF.

Creigton to me seems like an angry angry woman. but she is relatively young and is feisty so would be good to have in the dail.

boyd barrett - has some good ideas.

id like to see a left wing socialist progressive government. Out with the old and in with the new.

He may be passionate but he's clueless about his own party's policies, really poor when put on the spot with the question on rural policies. Also seemed to have extended James Connolly's life by 7 months when he quoted him as stating on New Years Eve 19(and)16 when he was executed in May!

Donnelly was very good, best of them for me.

Burton was poor, she really needs to up her game for the last leader's debate and start putting some clear water between Labour and Fine Gael, like stating all the achievements that Labour got that wouldn't have happened with a FG only Government - Equality Referendum, increase in Minimum wage, protection of Social Welfare payments etc

 

[44brendan]

R Boyd Barrett proposal re Council housing was not contested by anyone. I.e. Councils go back to building social housing themselves and his statement was that historically this was a self-funding scheme in that the associated rents came back into the Councils to fund further housing. However from my brief knowledge of Council housing I understood that this was totally untrue in that the rental income from these houses was way below even the cost of looking after the collection/repair/upkeep of these properties.
This is either true or not true. If it is true why was he not challenged/ If it is untrue why did the Government disband the old schemes?
That's the difficulty with this type of debate. We get very glib commentaries, proposals and counter proposals with no unbiased opinion on what is realistic and what is rubbish.
Why are politicians allowed to spout off any old rubbish on TV in an effort to get elected without being challenged. Why is there no detailed analysis of the various proposals put forward in yesterday's debate. We are back to the old habits of measuring the effectiveness of a politician by his ability to perform in public. Then we feel disappointed when let down by those same politicians when elected.
Is it any wonder that politicians regularly exaggerate and lie coming up to elections as we have consistently shown an aversion to hearing the truth when its unpalatable?
Luckily I am long past the time when these debates have any effect on my voting preference.

 

[Purple]

id like to see a left wing socialist progressive government. Out with the old and in with the new.

Isn't that what we have now?
They are left wing and they have made significant social reform.

 

[Agent 47]

Imagine if Mary Lou was there instead, Joan B would be dead and buried, the two hate each other. I am real worried about the next few years, our taxation rates (bands) for middle income earners are scandalous and coupled with high SVRs have squeezed the life out of the economy. There is certainly no recovery where i am.

 

[jim]

he's clueless about his own party's policies,

I disagree - adams knows his own policies inside out as does any of the leaders which is no big deal that's the minimum you would expect of them. anyone can learn spiel off by heart. adams may be a bit scatter minded when articulating them when on the spot - who cares about that though. I value other things in the person that is going to run my country.

They are left wing and they have made significant social reform.

I think FG are right wing (ish) I could be wrong...anyway my point is we need to get rid of fg/labour in gove and get new smart, young, feisty, passionate, authentic (as possible), original ideas people in there.

Imagine if Mary Lou was there instead

I don't like mary lou on a personal level but I think she would be a good person to be involved in running the country - shes got balls and I believe is a lot more honest/authentic than burton who is way past her cell by date and is out of touch....similar to why I want Creighton in there - don't like her but I think shes got the right stuff to be at least in the dail.