Richard Bruton + JLC Reform

[cork]

Why are the government tageting people who get a little extra for working on a Sunday.

They can't take on groups like Hospital Consultants.

They can't take on the quangos or the public sector.

They even get paid an additional payment themselves for turning up for work.

Some of them even claimed it during the Ash Cloud delayed their flights.

JLCs need reform - but the government seem intent to drive people out of low paid jobs onto welfare.

 

[shanegl]

Because it was agreed with the IMF

 

[Purple]

Because it was agreed with the IMF

...and plenty of jobs covered by JLC's are well paid.

 

[thedaras]

Electricians to name but one...
In fact there were many electricians who would be happy to take a pay cut so they can keep their jobs ...

 

[cork]

Electricians are better paid than those working in shops + hotels.

I worked in jobs that had no overtime.

But I feel Sunday work deserves an additional payment.

 

[Sunny]

But I feel Sunday work deserves an additional payment.

Why? If you work in an industry that has a 7 day week, why should one day be seen as 'special'? If we want to go down that road, why not declare Sunday a day or worship or something and close the Country down.
As far as I concerned the only time extra money should be paid for a normal days work is if there are night shifts or extremely unsociable hours involved. Paying someone time and half or double for working a normal day just because it is a Sunday is absurd.

 

[villa 1]

Electricians are better paid than those working in shops + hotels.

I worked in jobs that had no overtime.

But I feel Sunday work deserves an additional payment.

And so they should, they are skilled craftsmen who have served an apprenticeship

 

[cork]

Most industries could easily be considered a 7 day week.

But government seem to be targeting the low paid.

Why doesn't the government start with the hospital consultants that one of their own negottiated?

Why can't they start the process of benchmarking public sector pay aganist the EU norm?

In a Christian Country is not Sunday to be considered special?

Our governmrnt seems to be spineless targeting those who work unsocial hours while leaving the sacred cows alone.

 

[Purple]

Most industries could easily be considered a 7 day week.

Yes, I agree.

But government seem to be targeting the low paid.

As has been pointed out to you JLC’s also cover well paid sectors.

Why doesn't the government start with the hospital consultants that one of their own negotiated?

Why not do both?

Why can't they start the process of benchmarking public sector pay aganist the EU norm?

Why not benchmark social welfare and state pensions as well? (Answer: Because different countries have different cost bases.)

In a Christian Country is not Sunday to be considered special?

Maybe. Would you be willing to pay (say)20% more for everything on Sunday?

Our governmrnt seems to be spineless targeting those who work unsocial hours while leaving the sacred cows alone.

JLC’s cover much more than Sunday and antisocial hour premiums.

 

[cork]

JLC’s cover much more than Sunday and antisocial hour premiums.

I agree that reform is needed.

Would you be willing to pay (say)20% more for everything on Sunday?

Does the state already pay Sunday Premiums to some workers?

What is good for the goose is good for the gander - but we have a government afraid to take on the public sector.

Take the hospital consultants?

Teachers with 3 month holidays?

Don't see Richard Bruton or FG taking these on.

 

[Purple]

I agree that reform is needed.

Would you be willing to pay (say)20% more for everything on Sunday?

Does the state already pay Sunday Premiums to some workers?

What is good for the goose is good for the gander - but we have a government afraid to take on the public sector.

Take the hospital consultants?

Teachers with 3 month holidays?

Don't see Richard Bruton or FG taking these on.

Your post is confusing. Are you answering my points or agreeing with them?

 

[thedaras]

Am I correct that the public sector get paid double for Sunday work?

If so it seems very unfair that the private sector (JLCs) would be the only ones to take the hit??..ill resist saying "once again"

 

[Purple]

Am I correct that the public sector get paid double for Sunday work?

If so it seems very unfair that the private sector (JLCs) would be the only ones to take the hit??..ill resist saying "once again"

I have no idea if they do or not but rule changes should apply to all.

 

[cork]

Your post is confusing. Are you answering my points or agreeing with them?

The government are shamelessly targeting those who work unsocail hours and ho are on low pay. They lack the courage to tackle work practices in the public sector. They are not purposing a level playing pitch. They are purposing differant practices for the lower paid.

They completely ignore work practices by the public sector.

 

[liaconn]

Many small businesses simply cannot afford to pay higher salaries on a Sunday. If they do have to , it could mean having to let someone go or simply not opening on Sunday and losing business.

 

[Protocol]

Sunday premium hours should be reformed, after:

Legal fees fall, e.g 350 per hour to do probate (search AAM)

Accountancy and audit fees fall, e.g. some accountants asked NAMA for 800 per hour

Commercial rents fall

Dental fees fall, e.g. some charge 360 per hour

GP fees fall, e.g. from 50 to 30-40

Medical consultants fees fall

 

[Protocol]

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Employers contribute 65,000 pa on average to the pensions of 147 executives in Irish plcs

They contribute under 5k pa to their overall staff, on average.

And yet we want to push low wages lower??

 

[Sunny]

Sunday premium hours should be reformed, after:

Legal fees fall, e.g 350 per hour to do probate (search AAM)

Accountancy and audit fees fall, e.g. some accountants asked NAMA for 800 per hour

Commercial rents fall

Dental fees fall, e.g. some charge 360 per hour

GP fees fall, e.g. from 50 to 30-40

Medical consultants fees fall

Everyone agrees that the cost of professional services needs to fall but that has nothing to do with what is being discussed. It is not an either/or situation.

 

[Sunny]

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Employers contribute 65,000 pa on average to the pensions of 147 executives in Irish plcs

They contribute under 5k pa to their overall staff, on average.

And yet we want to push low wages lower??

Irish plcs paying those contributions are not SME's. They are not hotels. They are not bars and restaurants.

 

[Purple]

Sunday premium hours should be reformed, after:

Legal fees fall, e.g 350 per hour to do probate (search AAM)

Accountancy and audit fees fall, e.g. some accountants asked NAMA for 800 per hour

Commercial rents fall

Dental fees fall, e.g. some charge 360 per hour

GP fees fall, e.g. from 50 to 30-40

Medical consultants fees fall

Do remember that the fee charged by a Dentist and GP covers the clerical staff, receptionist, rent, rates insurance etc. It is not their wage.

I am sure that the same applied for some accountants.

If rents drop then fees will drop.