Refused loan - help

We borrowed from the CU for our first home, not that we told either the CU or the bank!
Those days are gone! It was fairly standard practice and a workaround of getting 100% mortgage before they actually existed, CUs were not on credit bureau back then so bank would never know. I actually thought at the time 100% mortgages were a better idea as you had the whole lot at mortgage rate and over longer term however what actually happened was people borrowed the 100% from the bank and then still went and got the CU loan for furniture/garden/whatever!
 
So he is best to approach the lender and do a deal. Even though he was advised to never contact them.

Ringing the bank and negotiating a settlement for the €25k won't reset the debt clock.

Acknowledging the debt in writing or making a part payment will !
 
Perhaps there were other considerations with the CU. They could also look at ability to pay. Depending on the CU and type of loan there could be 7-8 % interest. And also the purpose of the loan. A 70k car loan over 6 years would be refused for someone on their salary. A discussion with the CU is warranted. The OPs friend is probably looking for an unsecured loan of twice their salary.

And many multiples of their disposable income
 
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Depending on the CU and type of loan there could be 7-8 % interest.
And an even higher effective rate if they still employ the policy of insisting that you keep up to 25% of the loan amount on deposit or in shares while borrowing. But maybe they don't do this anymore?
 
Could be over 10% depending on what the loan was for and the risk profile of the applicant. In a credit union I am familar with, there is no requirement to have 25% on deposit. I don't think there is a requirement to have any money on deposit, or to be a long term saver.

When the loan was stress tested, the CU might have felt that the risks were too high. I would expect the Credit unions to less risk adverse as they are risking their members savings.
 
He has a public sector job earning 40,000
70k is a crazily high loan for someone earning just 40k and insecured? No, he was never going to get that, regardless of his previous history.

Assuming that some kind of bankruptcy happened, or if a settlement was made, after which it would remain on file for 5 years. If no settlement and he still owes money, its probably still on file and will remain so until a settlement agreement is reached, after which the 5 year rule kicks in.
"Even though he was advised to never contact them."

By who?
There are plenty of unqualified "advisors" who have told people nonsense like this in recent years.
But its also true about statute barred status and its possible that someone might have been a member of the legal profession.

But its never a good idea to leave a loan in this state as others correctly say it can still be on file.
 
CU loan was to help with deposit.
That absolutely won't fly.
We borrowed from the CU for our first home, not that we told either the CU or the bank!
There was a time you could get away with this, because CUs didn't write to the old credit register. They do now. CUs were particularly badly stung in the bust.

I think there's a number of issues here. I will of course get some things wrong so feel free to correct.

1. He has outstanding debt from many years ago that's quite large and still on the credit register.
2. He's about to inherit 90k
3. He doesn't own a home
4. But he only earns 40k
5. And unless he lives in Donegal or Leitrim, house prices are not 70k. Or 170k. Not even a "small apartment." A "small apartment" in Limerick for example starts at 190k and that's the asking price, not counting a bidding war. There's a couple of apartments for sale on daft in Letterkenny for 135k, so he could consider moving to Donegal.
6. Its theoretically possible to buy an apartment in Dublin in a less in demand area for maybe 200-220k, assuming nobody else bids.
7. He's 53 and working in public sector so assume he is subject to mandatory retirement age of 70. That limits his maximum mortgage term to 16 or 17 years for most lenders. Some of them will not extend him more than a 12-13 year term.
8. Assuming if he doesn't own a home he's renting and that would be taken into account when applying for a loan.
9. If he wants to buy himself a little apartment for 220k he has also to take account legal costs etc of around 5k plus for LPT, stamp duty, registration fees and legal costs. If he goes to a bank with 22k deposit and doesn't have that they'll basically tell him to "go away". (I experienced this personally with much larger savings and a lot more income).
10. There's a few things here - how much he theoretically can borrow given his income, and how long a term given his age - that's before his creditworthiness, which seems poor - that's probably around 138k taking into account the maximum the bank would consider he can afford on his salary of 40k and how much he earns. This is why nearly everyone who owns a home buys it before their 50th birthday, its not just your income but maximum term and how much the bank believes you have after tax to pay. It cannot exceed 1/3 of take home pay.
11. Lastly, and hate to truly burst his bubble here, but unless you are buying in an in demand area most banks demand a 20% deposit for 1 bed apartments (its hard to state just how much damage gets done by this policy but that's for another topic). That will not be Donegal or probably not Limerick. I know PTSB would be ok with 10% for Swords (but that was at least 5 years ago and a one bed in Swords is now over 250k).

May I suggest something else? Given his age, situation, he technically qualifies for social housing. He won't get it, but it would be looked at in the event of him applying for cost rental or affordable housing schemes. I would suggest he scours the cost rental site every month as this would give him a secure tenancy he could probably afford. Secondly pay off that old loan with the 90k inheritance. He'll have to wait 5 years yes, but there's reasons you might need credit other than for a mortgage - eg car breaks down. In his situation cost rental would definitely be a potential option.
 
Very comprehensive. Would he get entitlement to cost rental if he has a lump sum and unpaid debts? Would they check his record It has since transpired that there is an unpaid credit card bill as well as a loan on the record. He is adamant that the advise he got was to ignore them. Head completely in the sand.
 
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