Record number of no shows for driving tests

Brendan Burgess

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8,550 people did not show up for their driving tests in the year to the end of November. They didn't cancel either so the slot could not be given to someone else on the waiting list.

500,000 hospital appointments were no-shows


Is this a peculiarly Irish thing?

It's not. AI tells me that it's a big problem in the UK as well.

  • Hospital Appointments: In England, around one in ten hospital outpatient appointments are missed each year. In 2023/24, approximately eight million hospital appointments were missed.
  • GP Appointments: An estimated 7.8 million GP appointments were missed in England in 2023.
  • Cost: Each missed hospital appointment costs the NHS an estimated £165, equating to around £1.2 billion each year. Each missed GP appointment costs approximately £30–£40.
 
I had a season ticket for the Institute of Chartered Accountants professional courses, which meant I did not have to pay to attend a course.

However, if I booked and did not show, I was charged for it.

The same should be applied to hospital appointments - if someone has a medical card and does not show up, they get charged €200.
 
I think there was a thread somewhere on AAM on how difficult it can be in some cases to reschedule hospital appointments.
Letters being sent too late for the actual appointment.
Letters being "lost" in the post and no other comms sent.
The person being deceased.
Patient behaviour needs to be looked at but as part of a review of the whole system of appointments.

This was it:

I tried for weeks to cancel an appointment by phone in a public hospital. The appointment letter had a number to call for cancellations which I used. No one ever answered the phone - it just rang out every time. I first tried to contact them about six weeks before the appointment date, so they would have been able to schedule someone else in. The date passed and I heard no more.

 
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I think there was a thread somewhere on AAM on how difficult it can be in some cases to reschedule hospital appointments.
I got a 10:00 a.m appointment in early January at a hospital in a city 93 kms away. My only route drags me through two cities at peak-times for people going to work and children being dropped off to school. Any traffic or weather incident, frost, flooding, diversions, extra heavy traffic, the smallest glitch of any kind will make me late for the appointment as I can't plan for the unforeseen. The letter warns against showing up early for appointments as there are no facilities to cater for crowds; that potentially leaves me waiting in my car clocking up additional parking charges to pay Bernard's high wages, either freezing or burning additional fuel to stay warm.

I rang the secretary's number on the letter to reschedule the appointment for later in the day. She didn't see the problems I did and said there were no later appointments on that date. She suggested I ring back each day in the interim to check for cancellations at later times on the allocated date. I suggested very politely to her that was her job - mine was to show up on time which is what I was trying to achieve. I then suggested she cancel the original appointment and send me a new one for a later time on another date.

A while later the new HSE app pinged on my phone. I had a new appointment for 10:20 a.m. in late March. A lousy 20 min extension to the time had pushed the appointment out by almost 3 months. A typical HSE public service non-solution.

I know what the real problem is - part-time consultants or consultants on public-private contracts who only see public patients in the mornings and private patients in the afternoons either in the public hospital, or in a private one. If they see private patients in a private hospital, the HSE resources, office, clinical rooms, staff, etc are idle for half the working week. If they see private patients in public hospitals, where is my share of their fee for helping provide the facilities they use?

Some of course continue to blame the patients for the chaos - they're easy targets and don't have a voice in how the administrative shambles that is the HSE is runs, or stumbles around drunkenly and moves in ever-decreasing circles more like. Get it fixed Bernard - you're paid enough and have enough high-paid staff to undertake a simple scheduling job to map appointment times to patients who don't live on the hospital door-step. While you're at it, fix the parking problems at hospitals - ban all staff car -parking. If they live close by they can cycle or have a round-robin bus-service to collect staff from home and drop them back at shift changes. Oh and charge public transport rates for the service. It's not rocket science you know, just admin. Do I think you and your colleagues are doing a rubbish job Bernard? That would be a huge "Yes" from me. And lots of others if they have the energy to comment.
 
Letters being sent too late for the actual appointment.
Letters being "lost" in the post and no other comms sent.
This happened me with two Dublin hospitals, where I was accused of not showing up for appointments. I requested my records which showed letters addressed to me which I had never received. When I pointed this out to the consultants concerned they were rather blasé about the matter, stating that my health was my responsibility, and, that when I hadn't received letters for follow-up appointment, I should have been on the phone asking why. I then pointed out that for one hospital in particular, the main switch-board is constantly jammed and clinic numbers frequently rang out unanswered. Those numbers that had voice-mail services, which I used, seldom if ever resulted in return calls.

All the patients' fault of course.
 
I think there was a thread somewhere on AAM on how difficult it can be in some cases to reschedule hospital appointments.

Perhaps it is this thread that you are thinking of https://www.askaboutmoney.com/threads/479-000-outpatient-no-shows-last-year.208650/

I received notification of a private appointment recently, with a fee for the first appointment to be €400, and follow-on ones at €200. This is a new high, as the most I have encountered before, was €300. With that notification, was an invoice to pay the fee up-front, or the appointment would be cancelled, and reallocated. They are obviously suffering the same 'no show' or DNA 'did not arrive' problem, that the public system is suffering.

They also forewarned in the letter, that there were road works very close to the hospital, which were causing long delays. Presumably if you do not turn up on time for your appointment, and miss your slot, then your payment will be forfeited.

I also attend a chiropody private clinic, where the secretary calls people the day before their appointment, to remind them. Even though she does this, they regularly don't turn up, which is so ignorant in light of the reminder.

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the secretary calls people the day before their appointment, to remind them
My dentist has this although it's via text message to my phone. My GP also had the text messaging reminder for a while but seems to have stopped using it. I use the Calendar app on my Mac & iPhone with a 24-hour reminder and 15-minute before departure time reminder for all appointments.
 
8,550 people did not show up for their driving tests in the year to the end of November. They didn't cancel either so the slot could not be given to someone else on the waiting list.

In the article the RSA says that the 8,550 represents a no-show rate of 3.5% and that has reduced from a 2019 rate of 11%. Like unemployment figures, we are never going to get to 0% and we probably wouldn't want to because then we would have other negative effects.

Healthcare no-shows (Did Not Attend/DNA) present a highly complex problem in every country and every type of health system, public or private. I worked for a few years on patient flow projects with groups in Ireland, the UK, Australia, and the USA. This was in the heyday of nudge theory when governments all over the world were setting up behavioural science units to "nudge" people to make particular choices. Appointments were a big target.

We all originally thought that charging a refundable deposit or some sort of fee would improve attendance. There is some evidence that it can but it's single digit improvements at best and the cost of delivering such a system is high. You need a payment portal, you need admin staff to deal with queries/complaints/disputes/refunds/waivers, etc. It was just not cost effective.

But the main reason we still avoid financial penalties is that the unintended negative effects are unacceptable. Financial penalties make little difference to wealthier people but will absolutely prevent poorer patients from accessing care. They either do not have the money for the payment in the first place or they have the money but cannot risk losing it. Poorer patients already carry the highest health burden anyway (multiple conditions and more chronic diseases) so you are then punishing a sicker and more vulnerable population. When they finally attend they are sicker and require more treatment - perversely requiring even more appointments and making the original problem worse. This is bad for the individual patient and for the general taxpayer as we then have to spend far more resources than if we had seen them earlier and prevented the disease from progressing.

Rather than pushing the problem back onto patients, it's much more effective to improve booking and admin systems. One unit I worked in had self-service booking with a 24/7 online system that allowed you to select your own date/time. There was also a waiting list option. If you needed to cancel you could do it easily at any time and the system would tell you when the next available appointment would be. You could still call a human, for anyone who couldn't do it online for whatever reason. Our DNA rates were very low. You would still have people who were unwell on the day, train was cancelled, couldn't get childcare, etc. so it would never be zero DNAs but almost every clinic was overbooked anyway so it worked out.

Very efficient systems with short waiting lists bring problems too. I was involved in a clinic re-design years ago where we managed to cut waiting times from months to weeks. But DNA rates went through the roof. Patients knew that if they didn't show up they would be offered a new appointment quickly. And because the waiting list was so short the patients we were seeing were not as sick so they didn't put as much value on the appointments.
 
I presume one pays in advance for a driving test and one loses the deposit, if one does not show?

Healthcare is different as it's usually free. It would be interesting to know what the DNS figures are for the private hospitals. A lot of doctors and dentists are now charging at the time the appointment is made. And still they send a reminder.
 
A lot of doctors and dentists are now charging at the time the appointment is made
My dentist of 20+ years started a booking fee which I can understand for patients who are new to the practice
or maybe have missed multiple appointments in the the past
But when she tried to charge me, a client who never missed or was late for an appointment while she was consistently late for mine
I switched dentists to one who doesn't charge a booking fee upfront and consistently more on time
 
But when she tried to charge me, a client who never missed or was late for an appointment while she was consistently late for mine
I switched dentists to one who doesn't charge a booking fee upfront and consistently more on time
I would prefer to stay with dentist who knows me and has my history for 20 years . Reasonable policy which cant work if there are exceptions.
 
I would prefer to stay with dentist who knows me and has my history for 20 years
I was of that thinking for years and would totally agree when it comes to my GP but I found my new dentist as good if not better then the old for several reasons not just the booking fee alone
 
In the article the RSA says that the 8,550 represents a no-show rate of 3.5%
That seems like a reasonably accessible figure. People attending hospital appointments are usually sick and mostly elderly. It's not surprising that a small proportion cannot attend at short notice.

If an elderly relative died cancelling their upcoming hospital appointments wouldn't be on my list of priorities.

So well done to the health service for a three fold improvement in 6 years. That's over 18,000 appointments not being missed now that were missed 6-7 years ago.
 
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