PRSAs as AVCs for PAYE employees

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Breakthrough for PAYE investors in new PRSA development

Irish Independent Wed, Jun 09 2004

A major new development with PRSAs, which has largely gone unnoticed, creates new opportunities for PAYE workers to slash their tax bill and take more control over their retirement funds, writes PAT RYAN*

PRSAs were launched last year with a fair degree of hype from the Pensions Board and the industry providers.

Employers who did not previously offer pension facilities to their employees were obliged to make PRSA facilities available to their workforce. Employers responded well but employee take-up has been slow to date.

Why so? - PRSAs are very similar to existing pension products and in general if employers could do without formal pension arrangements up to now - the majority feel they can continue to do without PRSAs.

To date, one very important market segment has been ignored in the PRSA adventure - the PAYE employee who is already included in an employer sponsored scheme.

This segment represents nearly half the workforce and more than half of permanent full-time employees.

It represents the people who value pension scheme membership, who pay the highest rates of income tax and where main job replacement income is a priority.

This segment was told:"Oh,you're all right, you have a scheme, talk to your trustees/consultant about AVCs - PRSAs are for those with no pensions yet."

PRSAs were possible for these PAYE employees but qualifying for tax relief involved getting permission from the trustees of the employer's main scheme and rule amendments to the main scheme. In practice - a non-runner.

Following discussions with PRSA providers, the Revenue authorities have now introduced new approval procedures for stand-alone additional voluntary PRSA contributions.

This means that as a PAYE employee already in a staff pension scheme, you can now make your own PRSA provision to improve your benefits and get tax relief against employment income.

While overall contribution and benefit limits remain unchanged - the real breakthrough here is empowerment for you as a PAYE employee in taking charge of your own supplementary pension arrangements.

In practice the new procedures empower PAYE employees to:

Select your own PRSA adviser

Select your own PRSA product (standard or non-standard)

Select your own investment strategy

Select your own contribution level - without the need to obtain approval from the trustees of your pension scheme.

To obtain tax relief, all you need do is advise the PRSA provider of certain details relating to your employer's scheme, so that the provider can carry out the necessary assessment of your pension position.

The provider will then determine the allowable contribution rate, and issue you with an AVC PRSA certificate which may be used to facilitate tax relief on your contributions through salary deduction (with your employer's agreement) or through your local PAYE inspector by amendment of your Certificate of Tax Credits and standard rate cut-off point.

The new procedures mean that all employees and self-employed may take control of the investment decisions which will affect income and wealth in later years. For example, the October 31 tax deadline from this year forward will now be relevant for all employees as well as the self-employed.

Whether you are in a staff scheme or not, you will have the opportunity of reducing last year's tax bill by paying into an AVC or PRSA by October 31.

In addition, the proceeds of PRSAs need not be spent on purchasing annuities or fixed levels of retirement income.

All PRSA investors have ARF (Approved Retirement Fund) options similar to self-employed individuals. This means that after tax PRSA investment proceeds may be used for a wide variety of purposes, including mortgage redemption and for other investment purposes of a capital nature.

On death, remaining PRSA assets may be passed on to family members as part of your estate.

Up to now, the vast majority of employees who are members of employer-based pension schemes have been fenced in with regard to making voluntary tax deductible retirement savings.

This is no longer the case - so whether you are a private sector or public sector employee - you are now in control of your investment and tax planning options.

In addition, details of your contributions may be totally confidential as contributions need not be made through payroll deduction.

So employees of multinationals, indigenous firms of all sizes, construction workers, civil servants, gardai, nurses, teachers, local authority workers etc, may now make their own additional voluntary pension arrangements - similar to the freedom enjoyed by the self-employed.

Canada Life and at least one other provider has already signalled compliance with Revenue requirements to provide standalone AVC PRSA services to this very important and previously restricted market.

Now, one year after their introduction, PRSAs are making a real difference - empowering all employees and self-employed alike to take responsibility for their future and providing real choice.

*Pat Ryan is pensions sales manager at Canada Life
 
If I take out an AVC PRSA by 31st October, I will avail of the contribution against PAYE but will I also be able to avail of the contribution against PRSI.

I ask this question as it is my understanding that currently contributions made to AVC that are not deducted through the payroll system are subject only to PAYE relief. (Maybe I'm wrong here)
 
> will I also be able to avail of the contribution against PRSI.

Yes but you will have to apply for PRSI and health levy relief where applicable directly. I'm in the process of doing just that and, having written with details (PRSA1 cert, details of income, P60 etc.) to

Office of the Revenue Commissioners
Collector General's Division
PRSI Refunds Section
Sarsfield House
Francis Street
Limerick

they have now passed the query on to

PRSI Refunds Section
Department of Social & Family Affairs
3rd Floor
Oisín House
Pearse Street
Dublin 2

Somebody else mentioned that it may be possible (and more expedient?) to apply directly to the latter address in the first place but I'm not sure if you need to go through Revenue first...
 
Well I might have stumbled upon this thread after quite a long time, I believe this is a great thing to note that there are planning made to save something for the employee, but it is rather unfortunate to say that even after 3 years almost that this thread was posted the place where I belong has seldom made any efforts in this regard! So we have to think of this ourselves.
 
Just noticed this thread as Jack02 bumped it there.

I'm in the process of setting up my PRSA as the company I work for only provide one PRSA option and it goes for the full 1% and 5% hits. They won't entertain allowing access to other PRSAs through payroll.

It's a bit of a pain but I'll get it set up such that I get the tax credits through PAYE etc and it all works out good. Didn't realise about the PRSI thing though. (i did try and convince my employer that if they set up the pensions for those of us interested that they wouldn't have to pay prsi on the amounts.....weren't interested though)

Is it true then that if you are contributing to a PRSA out of taxed income not only can you claim the PAYE tax back but you can get the PRSI back also???
 
(i did try and convince my employer that if they set up the pensions for those of us interested that they wouldn't have to pay prsi on the amounts.....weren't interested though)

Is this 100% correct. If I contribute 100pw towards PRSA not only do I not pay PRSI on it but my employer also does not pay PRSI
 
Happy Girl, i'm pretty sure I came across that nugget on these forums. But yeah, I don't think employers pay PRSI on pension contributions, the prsi comes off your taxable income which would be apres pension contributions if it goes through payroll.
 
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