Sonic hedgehog
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I dont believe it's assimilation as the new position has a higher nmax (before long service increments) than the old position.
And, if it was assimilation the rule existing pay plus 2 increments doesn't apply. - that's the rule hr want to apply now.- that rule applies to internal promotions in the civil service.
I'm finding it difficult to get any information from hr. They just say this is the rule- refer me to circular 34/77 but no further explanation.
I have a copy of the original advertisement on PAS to show the position was an open competition.
My point about going legal was not to march straight to the courts but to get advice from an experienced labour relations solicitor. I don't think there's a case but as you said earlier, not having to repay overpaid amounts would be a win and taking legal advice may well assist in that matter.1. If you competed in an internal competition and were successful this would be called Promotion.
2. You didn't compete internally and entered an external competition while serving in a lower grade and were successful. You were not promoted into the new grade and therefore you were Assimilated. It is possible that words like "promotion" were used in explaining to you your position but these were probably jargon used to inform you that you were being credited with your past service towards your eventual pension while joining the new grade.
3. It might be in your interest to get a copy of the 'calculations' made in your entry point of your new grade. I don't think any HR would refuse such. Then you will have your question answered. I can't understand your difficulty in sourcing these papers as it's about two minutes work to photocopy and send to you. But, if they don't exist . . . . then you're left wonderin'.
4. From the information supplied by you I believe your HR unit is acting correctly regarding your pay. But, depending on your new grade entry it is possible that a "Management Decision" was made to place you on the higher scale point on which you were placed.
6. I'm answering your questions as honestly as I can. I wish I had kept my handwritten notes on promotions and assimilations along with the "handbook" of the same matter. Just on a point, the "rules" on assimilation and promotion were handed down to the Irish civil/public service from the British Post Office in the time of Queen Victoria.
7. I agree with Dereko in the previous post above with the exception of "going legal." Most likely there's no case to answer (my opinion).
I know you mean well, Dereko, but the solution here would be a run-of-the-mill matter in most HR areas. Seeking legal advice will probably just mean more expense. But it ain't my money . . .My point about going legal was not to march straight to the courts but to get advice from an experienced labour relations solicitor. I don't think there's a case but as you said earlier, not having to repay overpaid amounts would be a win and taking legal advice may well assist in that matter.
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