Poor old Liam Lawlor...

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"Castlethorn has no requirement to use any adjacent landowner's services at all," a spokesman for the company said. "There are plenty of other opportunities on offer."

Who decides where the drainage goes? I think in this case LL is correct its not the developer who decides but the local authority engineers.

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Poor old Liamo, it never rains but it pours...... now we're going to be hearing all about what a great guy he was!



LIAM LAWLOR, the controversial former Fianna Fail politician, was killed yesterday in a high-speed crash in Moscow in the company of a teenage girl described by police as "likely to be a prostitute", the Sunday Independent can reveal.

The 61-year-old was travelling from a red-light district towards Moscow with a Ukrainian girl when his hired Mercedes spun out of control at 1am Moscow time.

A spokesman for the Moscow police department told the Sunday Independent that no other vehicle was involved and that it appeared excessive speed was the main factor in the crash.

The vehicle, driven by a chauffeur, struck a concrete bollard on the Leningradskoye highway in the suburb of Khimki, which Moscow police said was a well-known pick-up point for prostitutes.

Mr Lawlor, always a colourful character and regularly described as a "likeable rogue", was in the passenger seat when the collision occurred.

He and his chauffeur, named as a Mr Sulemann, were killed instantly, while the girl, who was in the back seat of the car, escaped with minor injuries.

Moscow police yesterday said: "The woman had no passport and said she was not a close friend of the Irish man. She is a girl and it seems they met on the street and it is therefore likely she was a prostitute."

That the former TD, from Lucan, Dublin, died in the company of a woman likely to be a prostitute will only serve to add to the sense of danger and controversy which always accompanied his entwined political and business careers.

News of his death caused deep shock in political and business circles throughout Ireland when it emerged at around noon yesterday.At Fianna Fail's Ard Fheis in Killarney, the Taoiseach, Bertie Ahern said he was "shocked" to learn of the untimely death and extended his heartfelt sympathy to Mr Lawlor's wife Hazel, his children, family and friends.

The Taoiseach said: "Liam was an engaging, witty and a larger-than-life character. He

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was also a man with a keen intellect and strong views that he was never afraid to articulate trenchantly. Outside the rough and tumble of political activity, he was extremely popular with his parliamentary colleagues across thepolitical boards."

There was no immediate comment from Mr Lawlor's old adversary, Feargus Flood.

But the Mahon tribunal, of which Mr Justice Flood is a former chairman, is now deprived of one of its most crucial witnesses. Indeed, his death may hasten the end of the tribunal, something which Mr Lawlor's friends were last night wistfully speculating would have amused the former politician.

In 1999 and 2001, Mr Lawlor served two separate one-week terms of three-month sentences for contempt of court arising out of his dealings with the tribunal. In 2002, he served a month for failure to comply with a tribunal and respond to its requests to disclose documents and information.

Khimki, from where Mr Lawlor was travelling, is a well-known haunt of prostitutes. Mr Lawlor died on the Leningradskoye highway, which has recently seen mass demonstrations by local residents, students and pensioners to banish the prostitutes who traditionally gather along it at night.

A police spokesman in Moscow told the Sunday Independent last night: "There was no luggage in the car so it is not the case that the car was coming from the airport. It was coming form the area of Khimki which is known as an area where businessmen pick up women."

Russia has become a mecca for Irish business figures who have flocked to the former Soviet state to develop multi-million euro property and business ventures.

Mr Lawlor himself was engaged in various business activities in Prague, in the Czech Republic, and was involved in plans to develop a shopping complex in the city.

Doing business in Russia can be difficult for outsiders who rely on a network of contacts to make introductions and it is likely that Lawlor had already made contacts there.

The death of Mr Lawlor, who celebrated his 61st birthday last Wednesday, stunned the world of Irish politics last night and brings to a tragic end the life a man scarred by scandal and disgrace.

The former TD's three sons, Niall, Shane and Gerald, were on their way home from the United States last night to join Liam Lawlor's wife Hazel and daughter Ciara at the family home in Lucan, west Dublin.

In a statement last night, the Lawlor family said they were "overwhelmed" by the kind sympathy they have received from home and abroad.

Friends and neighbours in Lucan expressed disbelief that the former TD had died in Russia in such bizarre circumstances.

Police in Moscow believe Lawlor's car had travelled to the Moscow suburb of Khimki and was returning to the centre of the Russian capital when the crash happened.

Mr Lawlor was sitting in the passenger seat of the car while the girl sat alone in the back. "The driver lost control of the car and struck a concrete baton on the right hand side of the road. As a result the driver was killed as was Lawlor, Liam, born 1944."

Yesterday, Frank Dunlop, the former lobbyist who delivered damning testimony against his erstwhile friend, Mr Lawlor, at the Flood tribunal, was shocked to learn of the TD's death yesterday afternoon.

He told the Sunday Independent: "I am just totally shocked, absolutely shocked by the news. That life should end so tragically, so far away. I can't imagine what Hazel and the family are going through. I am absolutely tremendously shocked. I don't want to say any more."

The Taoiseach, Mr Ahern added: "I have known Liam Lawlor since we were both first elected to Dail Eireann in the General Election of 1977.

"In his youth, Liam was well known as a hurler of some renown and he represented Dublin and Leinster with distinction. He followed the route travelled by a number of many prominent GAA stars and swapped the playing pitches for political life.

"Liam was elected as a TD for the constituency of Dublin West and during a 25-year career in politics, he was an assiduous worker on behalf of his constituents. In volatile political times in the Eighties, Liam lost his seat on two occasions but each time regained it in the following election. Liam announced his retirement from politics prior to the General Election in 2002.

"At this difficult time, my thoughts are with Hazel and all Liam's family especially his daughter, Ciara, who worked with me during my time as leader of the Opposition."

The Fine Gael leader, Enda Kenny, expressed his "deepest sympathy" to the family of the former TD.

"On behalf of the Fine Gael Party, I extend my deepest sympathy to Liam Lawlor's wife Hazel and their children," Mr Kenny said.

The Tanaiste, Mary Harney said it was with "great regret" that she had learned today of the sudden death.

"To lose his life in an accident so far from home, represents a terrible tragedy for his family and friends," Ms Harney said. She also expressed her sincere sympathy to Mr Lawlor's widow Hazel and to their four children.
 
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In fairness, it should be pointed out that RTE is reporting that the family claim the woman was an interpreter who travelled to Russia with him.

I don't know what the truth is, but I wouldn't bet much on the Independant to be the best place to look for it.

I'm sure there will be pleanty who will privately or publically take great delight in this. I don't take any pleasure in it, but I don't particularly feel saddened in the way you do when some public figures die.

I guess it's hard to have sympathy for any of the people who had a hand in the Mess that was made of Dublin as it expanded.

-Rd
 
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Can I suggest we all show some respect for the man's family. Let's leave this discussion for a couple of weeks. If it's really important, it can wait until he's been buried.
 
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daltonr said:
I don't know what the truth is, but I wouldn't bet much on the Independant to be the best place to look for it.
Looks like the Sindo fairly jumped the gun on this count - and not for the first time! :rolleyes:

I was never a fan of "Bad Boy" Lawlor's, but I agree that his family deserve a little better. Hope they sue the pants off the newspapers who ran with the teenage prostitute "scoop"...
 
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On RTE this morning, Charlie Bird (not a friend of the Sindo) blamed what he termed as the "confusion" among the Irish media covering this story on Saturday on unnamed "diplomatic sources" in Moscow for refusing to provide any information regarding the identity of the Ukranian woman in the car, in response to their requests.

It would be impossible for the Lawlor family to sue anyone over this story as there is no such thing as libel of the dead. This is why the Phoenix were able in the 1980s to print a barely credible story that a well-known & recently deceased (at the time) Irish historical/political figure had "had a mistress in every capital city in Europe".
 
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It would be perfectly possible for the Ukrainian woman to sue for libel; if she is an interpreter, and if her livelihood depends on getting commissions from foreign business people, then it is obviously the case that the newspaper coverage may well have destroyed her business prospects. I hope she really is an interpreter, and I hope she sues. I hope an Irish jury awards mucho moolah to her. I thought I was hardened to the low standards of our print media, but the Sunday Independent front page was quite shocking. I didn't read the paper itself - I would never ever buy it - but the front page was quite bad enough of itself .
 
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DrMoriarty said:
Hope they sue the pants off the newspapers who ran with the teenage prostitute "scoop"...

The latest I've read (according to LL's son) is that she is a 32 year old mother of 2. Pathetic (on the part of the media).
 
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According to Unison I just checked now, they seem to have double backed on their initial story and are now carrying the interpretor version.
 
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The Ukranian woman could only sue successfully for libel if she could show that her reputation had been damaged in the areas within which the newspaper circulated. Given that the lady was not named in the article, that in any event she is hardly well-known here and that the Indo headline referred to a "teenage girl", I doubt if she would have much of a case.
 
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Can I repeat my request to show some respect. If we are unable to discuss this matter with dragging the debate down to the depths, I will close the thread.
 
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RainyDay said:
Can I repeat my request to show some respect. If we are unable to discuss this matter with dragging the debate down to the depths, I will close the thread.


How exactly is this debate being dragged down to the depths? I haven't seen any comment that isn't relevant to what's already been said in the media.

Given that this story is currently running in every major Irish newspaper and on RTE I fail to see why you want to extinguish debate on it here?
 
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RainyDay said:
Can I repeat my request to show some respect. If we are unable to discuss this matter with dragging the debate down to the depths, I will close the thread.

Has anyone dragged it to the depths? The point that has been made is the media's shameful treatment of the matter. No-one has said anything disparaging about Mr. Lawlor.
 
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RainyDay said:
Can I repeat my request to show some respect. If we are unable to discuss this matter with dragging the debate down to the depths, I will close the thread.

Would this be the same respect for which he was famous all his life?

Death doesn't confer sainthood, even temporarily. Stop trying to impose your own values onto those of us who are less touched by his passing.
 
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Hi CCOVICH & Gabriel - My ire was directed at Magoo, who posted a comment in pretty bad taste. The rest of the debate is absolutely fine.
 
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RainyDay said:
Hi CCOVICH & Gabriel - My ire was directed at Magoo, who posted a comment in pretty bad taste. The rest of the debate is absolutely fine.

While I didn't see the post you're referring to (so can't really comment on it) I'd happen to agree with Magoo's last posting.
 
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Magoo said:
Would this be the same respect for which he was famous all his life?

Death doesn't confer sainthood, even temporarily. Stop trying to impose your own values onto those of us who are less touched by his passing.


Have to say I fully agree with this. The hypocrisy of his former political colleagues and even some of the journalists is sickening - "larger than life, gregarious, etc. etc." stinks. Gene Kerrigan seems to be the only only to provide any sort of rational review of Lawlors contributions.

Roy
 
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