Performance Update for Colm Fagan's ARF

Hi @RainyDayFund Still tied up with all sorts of Christmas preparations so you may have to wait for a reply!
In the meantime, would you mind if I posted your reply on LinkedIn? It might help to start a discussion on that forum. I could say you’re an anonymous poster or call you @RainyDayFund.
No problem if you’d prefer if I don’t put it up.
 
Hi @RainyDayFund Still tied up with all sorts of Christmas preparations so you may have to wait for a reply!
In the meantime, would you mind if I posted your reply on LinkedIn? It might help to start a discussion on that forum. I could say you’re an anonymous poster or call you @RainyDayFund.
No problem if you’d prefer if I don’t put it up.
Post away!

BTW, here is a very informative video on this topic from Ben Felix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGzgsSXdPjo
 
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I should try to get some exposure to China but don't have a clue about how to invest there. Maybe a China fund would be a possibility. Not sure how I'd research them.
I'm looking at China myself too as it's between them and the US for the tech race with regards to AI.

The fees on index funds and ETFs appear to be much higher though, as one would expect. One example that I like is KWEB but, with a 0.75% annual expense, I'm going to have a look into the possibility of, not researching and developing an opinion on the constituents, but merely replicating 60% of the fund by buying the top 10 holdings.
 
Firstly, thanks to @ronaldo for your suggestion re China. I'll take a look.
@RainyDayFund, once again, I really appreciate your insightful comments.
There's a lot in what you've written and I'll have to answer you in stages.
Your key point is:
Treating the Equity Risk Premium as a "management fee" you avoid by holding 100% equities does muddle a little your expected return with risk and cash‑flow timing. ERP is expected, but it isn’t a rebate you’re guaranteed to collect. It’s a mean of a wide distribution with fat left tails.
In my original post, I skated gingerly past this issue, admitting that my reasoning was “very non-actuarial”, by which I meant that I was deliberately ignoring the complexities of probabilities. You rightly homed in on this piece of legerdemain and outlined the layers of complexity. Can I park that core issue for the time being? I'll try to get back to you later. In the meantime, I'll deal with some of the more straightforward issues.
Your "forced-sale trap" comment may simply be a misunderstanding of what I intended when referring to relying on dividends from xd stocks for the next pension payment. I was just making the point that I want to have as little in cash as I possibly can. There has never been a problem raising sums needed to meet dividend payments. Only 0.5% of the fund goes out in cash each month, inclusive of dividends, so very little needs to be sold. (The platform fee also needs to be added).

We're at one on 100% in equities being
the safest long-term scheme for surviving the risk of inflation (along with fixed percentage withdrawal), but it will be a bumpy ride and will test your nerves.
The average "pension" increase over the 15 years was 4.8% a year, which I reckon beats inflation by a considerable margin. The actual rate of increase in pension withdrawals was more than that for two reasons: (a) I had something called an AMRF at the start on which I didn't have to withdraw the mandatory 6%. The 4.8% calculation assumes that I didn't enjoy that dispensation. (b) In the first year, I suffered the dreaded "sequence of return risk", i.e., the fund value at end year 1 was quite a bit lower than its starting value. The withdrawal in the year (I took it all at year end as I had other income at that time) was thus artificially reduced. The 4.8% calculation assumes that the withdrawal was based on the starting fund value rather than the value at the end of the year.
Yes, it's been a bumpy ride that tested my nerves at times, but it hasn't been that bad. One of the worst was a 6.4% fall between 2021 and 2022, but most of the surprises have been on the upside (as is to be expected, given the average 4.8% per annum increase). I try to deal with the volatility by fixing a monthly withdrawal amount at the start of each year that's a reasonably conservative estimate of what I think I'll be able to take during the year and then, if (as expected) the fund's progression is better than expected, I take a "bonus" in December!!!
I'm under pressure domestically so I'll leave it for now! I'll try to get back to you with more sometime over the weekend.
 
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Hi Colm , I always enjoy your posts. A quick question, when you talk about your individual stock, are those in a non-taxable account or do you pay tax on gains?
 
@Johnny apples
Just confirming what @ClubMan wrote, these are savings that were set aside while I was working and for which I (or the company) got tax relief. I'm now withdrawing them. There's no tax on investment income or capital gains but all withdrawals are taxed at 40% (my marginal tax rate).
 
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I have a vague recollection on there being many restrictions on foreign ownership of Chinese shares. I wonder does this make an ETF more, or less, appealing.
 
Continuing my reply to @RainyDayFund
Dividends don’t solve liquidity. They’re variable, often cut in recessions, and arrive on someone else’s timetable.

We both know the arguments on both sides, so I won't bore you, other than to say that over 50% of the dividends come from my holding in Phoenix Group (which creates its own issues!).
Its core business is running off closed annuity books, about the most boring business imaginable, but also one of the lowest risk. I think I've held the shares for the last ten years at least. In that period, the dividend has either remained constant or (mostly) increased, never reduced. I don't expect it to reduce in future.
If there's famine and pestilence, hunger and death everywhere, shareholders will probably get bonus dividends!!!
On your point about them arriving on someone else's timetable , they arrive like clockwork every April and September, as I recall. Those dates are marked in my calendar.
To be continued.
 
As per my answer to @AJAM, I like to invest in real companies and follow their progress. I'm finding it hard enough at present with 16 companies, the bulk of which I've held for years (some from the start 15 years ago, even previously, when I was in accumulation mode). God knows what it would be like with 30-40, most of which I'd be completely unfamiliar with.
I will stress, though, that buying individual companies is not a core "principle". As I get (even) older, I may take an easy option of buying index funds.
But my suggestion is that you do invest in real companies, but just take your analysis of which ones and what weights out of it, because as you know it is your analysis that will cost you.

So my idea is to “mimic” an index fund by choosing its top 30-40 companies and investing in those. It is not at all labour intensive if you use the “pie” feature on Trading 212.

And then stop tracking their performance, because it will lead you to make (bad) decisions.
 
Bonds and cash aren’t a dead weight fee, but insurance against ruin. They provide spending liquidity when equities are down, and optionality to rebalance. Calling that insurance "a fee" is like calling home insurance a guaranteed loss until the day you need it.
Now we're coming closer to what I think we agree is your core point.
Quite honestly, I can't relate to your statement that "bonds and cash .... provide spending liquidity when equities are down". That's because I don't see "equities" as a homogeneous blob of assets. Phoenix and Nvidia (to take two examples from my portfolio) are as different as chalk and cheese. Phoenix is my go-to share whenever I need liquidity, for two reasons: firstly, it's my largest holding by far; I'm always looking for opportunities to reduce my exposure to it; secondly, it should be (relatively) unscathed if "equities" generally experience a severe downturn.
 
They seem to be v trying to convince analysts they they're an open book pensions company now
I could be out of touch, but I think it's still where most of the profits come from, even if they're putting a lot of effort into new business. But it shows the dangers of not keeping close to companies in which I'm invested. I should take a look at it more often.
 
Maths matters, but psychology is always the biggest risk.
Despite my aristocratic background I am not a wealthy person. However, I am retired and have modest appetites. So provided I have been suitably redacted from the Epstein photos I envisage that whatever happens to my investible assets is really only a concern for my earls and of course that greedy CAT.
I used to understand the math and of course you and Colm are right. Nonetheless my investible assets are 95% in UK/IR govies of less than 18 months duration and deposits of less than 12 months duration. A few years back I maxed out in Prize Bonds and they were fun but they are now a pure rip-off.
So getting to the point, my psychology just couldn't withstand the ups and downs that Colm describes. I know I have left a few bob (of my earls' inheritance and the CAT's lunch) on the table since my retirement but I don't really regret that fact and combined with a dread of calamitous timing I am not going to change now.
 
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Bonds and cash aren’t a dead weight fee, but insurance against ruin.
Not sure I fully follow the thrust of this point and subsequent follow up by @Colm Fagan. Is it just a question of semantics? He describes the ERP as a "management fee", presumably one which would apply if one invested in say bonds rather than equities. You describe it as an insurance cost provided by holding bonds.
I prefer your terminology but don't think it mounts to a rebuttal of the "management fee" nomenclature.
The situation is possibly best illustrated by the topical concept of "lifestyling". The premise behind the default strategy for My Future Fund is that the natural habitat for pension savings is equities but as one approaches retirement the timing risk looms and it becomes appropriate to start "insuring" that risk. Not wanting to fall into an off topic rabbit hole, @Colm Fagan's proposal for auto - enrolment, what he was suggesting was 100% equity investment throughout with the individual timing risk self insured through inter cohort pooling.
Developing the insurance theme, some people are wealthy enough that they only bother with the legally required third party liability for car insurance. Some are wealthy enough to self insure their health and some may be wealthy enough to self insure their home. Colm is 100% invested in equities so I guess he feels comfortable enough to self insure the equity risk. And then we have the psychology point - I guess some people are so risk averse that they even fall for extended warranty insurance. I'm not that bad :confused:
 
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Your "forced-sale trap" comment may simply be a misunderstanding of what I intended when referring to relying on dividends from xd stocks for the next pension payment. I was just making the point that I want to have as little in cash as I possibly can. There has never been a problem raising sums needed to meet dividend payments. Only 0.5% of the fund goes out in cash each month, inclusive of dividends, so very little needs to be sold. (The platform fee also needs to be added).
I definitely see the logic in minimizing idle cash, but I wonder how much your approach has benefited from very favorable market conditions over the past 15 years. Those years have generally been strong for equities, which makes relying on dividends and minimal sales seem sustainable. However, this may not hold during prolonged downturns.

I think it is fair to expect 15% dips every 5 years, 20% every 6 years, 30% every 10-20 years, and 40% rarely but occasionally.

As returns revert to the mean, volatility tends to increase. In such periods, dividends and liquidity may not be as reliable. Market pessimism often spreads, making capital more expensive and cash flows less predictable.

Another concern is that market performance is typically concentrated in a handful of companies. Most firms don’t endure for decades. Nokia was dominant 20 years ago, yet today it’s a shadow of its former self. Will Nvidia still lead in 20 years? Hard to say. This uncertainty is why active managers often fail to beat passive funds over the long term. Relying on a few dividend-paying stocks to consistently deliver cash feels risky.

The situation is possibly best illustrated by the topical concept of "lifestyling". The premise behind the default strategy for My Future Fund is that the natural habitat for pension savings is equities but as one approaches retirement the timing risk looms and it becomes appropriate to start "insuring" that risk. Not wanting to fall into an off topic rabbit hole, @Colm Fagan's proposal for auto - enrolment, what he was suggesting was 100% equity investment throughout with the individual timing risk self insured through inter cohort pooling.
My own issue with the default lifestyling is that it can reduce growth potential too early, especially during the accumulation phase when compounding matters most. While reducing equity exposure near retirement mitigates timing risk, doing so prematurely may leave significant returns on the table. So, its a question not of one-size-fits-all, but can you structure your portfolio such that it can pay your costs of living for a comfortable retirement, but also allow enough equitities there to allow for future growth. Its about balancing die-with-zero against being overtly frugal during retirement.

For many, it is undoubtedly the case that the psychological stress of this suggests that are better served by an annuity. For those risk-on folks (especially with larger pots) I'd argue it should be about wealth preservation and growth without undue risk.

Ben Felix argues (with compelling evidence) in that video link I posted that global diversification in bonds is the most effective way to de-risk without sacrificing too much growth. Capital always wants to flow to the place where it makes the best return. That inevitably isn't cash or bonds. So geopgraphical dispersion can help. Felix's point also aligns with the idea that what we call "sequence-of-returns risk" is really "sequence-of-withdrawals risk". Withdrawals during downturns are what do the real damage to compounding. Returns are what they are.

So, if you can adjust your withdrawals (through a strategy, such as Guyton-Klinger guardrails, or just reducing your spending naturally (unnaturally?) as a reaction to market performance), then maybe it will all be fine. Most corrections last less than a year, but not everyone has the discipline to ride them out.

When I was referring to cash and bonds as a form of insurance, I was thinking more for the worst case: IIRC, the slowest major stock market recovery was after the 1929 Great Depression crash, with the Dow taking over 25 years to regain its pre-crash peak, though the market took about 4.5 years to hit its trough and start recovering from the crash bottom. Other long recoveries include the 1970s downturn (over 9 years) and the "Lost Decade" (dot-com bust & Great Recession), which took over 12 years to reach prior levels. These types of black swan events could do huge damage to a portfolio if the timing wasn't advantageous.

So, I think 100% equities with concentration in a few stocks obviously works well in strong markets, but it assumes conditions that may not persist. Diversification, flexibility in withdrawals, and some form of insurance (global diversification and potentially cash buffers or bond ladders) can provide resilience against rare but severe downturns.
 
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Developing the insurance theme, some people are wealthy enough that they only bother with the legally required third party liability for car insurance. Some are wealthy enough to self insure their health and some may be wealthy enough to self insure their home. Colm is 100% invested in equities so I guess he feels comfortable enough to self insure the equity risk. And then we have the psychology point - I guess some people are so risk averse that they even fall for extended warranty insurance :confused:
I think this is an important point. If you are able to ride the peaks and troughs of the market, and have either other means of smoothing cashflows or don't need to spend all of your returns, then 100% equities is very attractive in the long term (albeit with sufficient diversification vs concentration, because of the human inability to pick long term winners).

So there is a continuum between an annuity vs 100% equities. Personally, I'm also intending to be towards the 100% equities end upon retirement but I would offer that the higher you go into equities, then the greater diversification in those equities that you need in your portfolio along with potentially considering some cash-flow buffering.
 
And would there be any benefit of trying to mimic an index fund with individuals stocks? A lot of the problems with funds melt away when they're inside an ARF. If the tax considerations are moot then just buy the index.
 
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