...as people always rush to point out, GNP is a more realistic indicator for Ireland, so the size of our shadow economy may actually be well below the average.
GNP is lower, so that would make the shadow economy bigger as a fraction.
Agree with the rest though.
In 2012 the following was written.....It's shocks and disgusts me hugely. "In Ireland, revenue lost to the shadow economy is €7.6bn — equivalent to the total amount of cutbacks and tax increases that the Government is planning to inflict on the country over the next three years."
pretty much confirms what I was thinking all along. If there were some measures taken perhaps some of the classes sizes could have been reduced or perhaps some elderly old lady lying on a trolly up in Beaumount Hospital may have been admitted sooner? perhaps you and I may not now have to watch every penny we earn so we make it to the end of the month.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpo...aud-ignoring-issue-of-tax-evasion-198781.html
I'm taking from that, that you don't consider the actions taken by Revenue to identify and recover that 2.25bn as suitable "steps"?
there HAS to be a way, I'm an ordinary citizen...I don't know about GNP GDP etc but I do know that if everyone paid their fair share I would feel a lot happier and far more content.
To be honest no I'm sick of it, I am however sick of a lot of things going on here at the moment....
This country is not helping the middle income earner and at the moment I am lucky to make it to the end of the month. When I see this "oh well that's just the way the cookie crumbles" attitude I think what???? there HAS to be a way, I'm an ordinary citizen...I don't know about GNP GDP etc but I do know that if everyone paid their fair share I would feel a lot happier and far more content.
If everyone paid their fair share you'd be paying a lot more. The higher income earners pay a hugely disproportionate share of income tax. A couple of years ago I noticed I was earning about five or six times the average wage, but paying about fifteen times as much as an average wage earner in tax. Like you, I decided I'd be far happier if everyone paid their share. It was one reason (admittedly not the most important) that I quit my job. Now Ireland Inc gets to find fifteen middle income earners to replace my tax -- you're welcome.
Huh? So your idea of "fair share" is that everyone would pay the same rate of tax?
I'd have thought most people would think a progressive system is more "fair" as those who can afford to pay a greater proportion of their income do so.
How far would you extend the logic you've applied above? If Ireland was the third world and the average wage was a subsistence wage and therefore not taxed to any extent, and you were in the fortunate position of earning substantially more than a subsistence wage and therefore taxed infinitely more, would you like to swap places with a subsistence worker so you could bask in an impoverished sense of tax free wellbeing?!
Sorry to harp on a point, but this is what I take issue with, and the point that you seem unable to come to terms with - I've pointed out to you that in respect of the things you're complaining about here, we're no worse than other developed countries.
I'm not saying we shouldn't aspire to keep improving, but to be endlesly whingeing the way you are on this thread, without being willing to do anything yourself (i.e. use the confidential reporting mechanism provided) or add anything constructive other than "the computers need to talk to each other (coz I'm sure no-one has thought of that either!) serves no purpose.
If everyone paid their fair share you'd be paying a lot more. The higher income earners pay a hugely disproportionate share of income tax. A couple of years ago I noticed I was earning about five or six times the average wage, but paying about fifteen times as much as an average wage earner in tax. Like you, I decided I'd be far happier if everyone paid their share. It was one reason (admittedly not the most important) that I quit my job. Now Ireland Inc gets to find fifteen middle income earners to replace my tax -- you're welcome.
So basically, you're upset because the world isn't perfect.
Seriously, are you a grown up, or a secondary school student?!
Am I a grown up? So having a problem with systems that aren't working is being childish? Are you for real?? Like seriously what are you advocating here? Like you think everything's working fine and up to scratch? I hope to god you're not in a position of power within any of these organisations. Let's leave it so it's all working fine, no need for reform.
I'm upset because the systems are inadequate. Your patronising and condescending replies don't offer anything constructive in my humble opinion.
So remind me is this forum called "letting off steam"???? As I said it's not my job to come up with the answers. My profession and expertise are not in this area so what possible answers am I going to have. I expect the people that are paid to do these jobs to come up with the solutions.
Paying their fair share is paying the correct amount of tax you are obliged to pay. If you don't think it's fair that you pay more tax that's something different. I expect people to pay the correct amount of tax no more no less. Honesty is really all I'm suggesting and when people are dishonest, which inevitably they will be, an adequate system to catch the dishonest. Doesn't seem that unreasonable to me. I'm amazed you're so happy with the status quo you see no room for improvement. Ah sure it's grand.
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