Pensions terminology query

zag

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As I continue what seems like my career-long attempt to understand pensions I keep coming across concepts I hadn't even thought of. Maybe someone can help clarify something for me :

Is there is standard (or even better - statutory) definition of terms like bid/offer spread, allocation rates, etc . . .

I have seen some posts (and pension documents sent to me) where there is mention of no bid/offer spread, but yet there is a non-100% allocation rate which hasn't been explicitly mentioned. To me the two things equate, so other than obfuscation, I don't see the purpose served by using both terms.

A pension in my previous company had this situation. In theory there was no bid/offer spread so if I contributed €100 in a month to my fund and the fund units were €20 at that time then I got 5 units added to my fund. In practice what was happening was that there was a 98.5% allocation rate which meant I got 4.x units instead because my €100 was only worth €98.50 by the time it got to actually purchase funds.

I now know to ask the pension sales people about allocation rates, and bid/offer spreads and annual fund management fees. Is there anything else I need to ask about ? When the previous company was with a broker (I think thats what they were termed - big company begining with M) we also paid a management fee to them. In theory this was to cover the cost of them 'advising' the scheme members, but in practice the level of advice was pretty poor (if judged solely by contact minutes). This fee was covered by the employer outside the scheme itself, but if this wasn't the case I'm pretty sure they were determined to recover it from the pension contributions.

So, back to the original question - is there a standard or statutory definition of these terms and a requirement for them to be stated clearly in end-uder documentation ? I have a feeling this is not the case as I think the pension industry lacks some of the clarity that has been brought to other financial areas such as lending where things *must* be spelled out or the contract is questionable.

z
 
[broken link removed] from the pensions ombudsman (see keyposts) refers to bid offer spread.

Bid-Offer Spread

In unit-linked investment contracts, the difference between the
price at which units can be purchased (“Offer” price) and the
price at which they can be sold back to the investment manager
(“Bid” price) on any given day.
 
hi zag

I think that the questions in this post cover nearly anything you need to know when investing.

If anything less than 100% of you contributions are allocated, I would be wary. Likewise of bid-offer spreads. Both are fairly rare these days.
 
hi zag

If anything less than 100% of you contributions are allocated, I would be wary. Likewise of bid-offer spreads. Both are fairly rare these days.

I must say that varying Allocation Rates (often less than 100%) AND Bid-Offer spreads are very far from rare these days!
 
This pdf document from the financial regulator "[broken link removed]" describes some of the terms on pg16.
And also a glossary from the iapf.
 
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